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In this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX3ICfHH2Ec

Shin Lim, performs the effect "Con Cam Coincidencia" by Paul Wilson, but with a different handling than the tutorial in "Killers":

https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/card-m......killers/

In particular, the spectator (who is initially made to choose a card), if I am NOT mistaken, selects the piles in a completely free way, so he could also select for himself, the pile that did NOT contain his card?



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Watch it again. The selection is not totally free, though there was some luck involved in how it ended up. I'm sure that Shin had something ready to say if he had grabbed the wrong pile... But see how he handled the first two piles for a hint.
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Watch it again. The selection is not totally free, though there was some luck involved in how it ended up. I'm sure that Shin had something ready to say if he had grabbed the wrong pile... But see how he handled the first two piles for a hint.


The spectator takes the pile containing his card with extreme speed and I DON'T think Shin had time to say anything ... maybe before the show, was there an agreement between the magician and the spectator?


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On Nov 29, 2021, no2ss wrote:
Watch it again. The selection is not totally free, though there was some luck involved in how it ended up. I'm sure that Shin had something ready to say if he had grabbed the wrong pile... But see how he handled the first two piles for a hint.


The spectator takes the pile containing his card with extreme speed and I DON'T think Shin had time to say anything ... maybe before the show, was there an agreement between the magician and the spectator?


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If the spectator had grabbed the wrong pile Shin would have definitely said something to ensure the spectator got the correct pile or he would have simply got the spectators to swap cards at the end and use magician's choice again to ensure the correct outcome....however luck was on his side.
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On Nov 29, 2021, no2ss wrote:
Watch it again. The selection is not totally free, though there was some luck involved in how it ended up. I'm sure that Shin had something ready to say if he had grabbed the wrong pile... But see how he handled the first two piles for a hint.


The spectator takes the pile containing his card with extreme speed and I DON'T think Shin had time to say anything ... maybe before the show, was there an agreement between the magician and the spectator?


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There was no agreement needed. If he had taken the wrong pile, something slightly different would have happened and he would have ended up with the right pile.
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On Nov 29, 2021, no2ss wrote:
Watch it again. The selection is not totally free, though there was some luck involved in how it ended up. I'm sure that Shin had something ready to say if he had grabbed the wrong pile... But see how he handled the first two piles for a hint.


The spectator takes the pile containing his card with extreme speed and I DON'T think Shin had time to say anything ... maybe before the show, was there an agreement between the magician and the spectator?




There was no agreement needed. If he had taken the wrong pile, something slightly different would have happened and he would have ended up with the right pile.



OK, is which "out" could there have been? ... surely there would have been a less strong ending, especially considering that the spectator had already distributed the two bundles (to the other two spectators) and had quickly taken his bundle (the correct one) ....


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The ending would have been just as strong. It wasn't a different "out." It's just spectator management in terms of how Shin would have responded if he grabbed the wrong pile. Watch again how he handles the first two piles. Or, alternatively, watch how he handled the same situation when he performed the same effect on the Ellen show, and the selection process was slightly different.
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The ending would have been just as strong. It wasn't a different "out." It's just spectator management in terms of how Shin would have responded if he grabbed the wrong pile. Watch again how he handles the first two piles. Or, alternatively, watch how he handled the same situation when he performed the same effect on the Ellen show, and the selection process was slightly different.


If you are referring to this link, even then the viewer chooses the correct bunch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz-W7z78RFY

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If you are referring to this link, even then the viewer chooses the correct bunch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz-W7z78RFY



Ellen does NOT choose the correct pile, because he never asks her to choose one! Listen to what he actually says and when he says it. Then compare to the other video with Akbar. This is a very basic technique of magic.

It did nearly go wrong with Akbar. But there are ways to deal with that. He could have revealed that Akbar dealt the card to him (Shim). This would be just as magical as Akbar dealing it to himself.
Or he could have gone round the table giving everyone one chance to swap piles with anyone else. Ending with himself (Shim) having the last swap.
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If you are referring to this link, even then the viewer chooses the correct bunch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz-W7z78RFY



Ellen does NOT choose the correct pile, because he never asks her to choose one! Listen to what he actually says and when he says it. Then compare to the other video with Akbar. This is a very basic technique of magic.

It did nearly go wrong with Akbar. But there are ways to deal with that. He could have revealed that Akbar dealt the card to him (Shim). This would be just as magical as Akbar dealing it to himself.
Or he could have gone round the table giving everyone one chance to swap piles with anyone else. Ending with himself (Shim) having the last swap.



OK, Shim asks Ellen to touch a bunch (NOT to choose) but Ellen then touches the bunch which at the end contains her own card ....

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If either the spectator who chooses the card or Shin Lim himself ends up with the correct pile, both can give a strong ending. In case of Shin ending up with the correct pile means he will reveal his card first, "because it is magician's job to find the card" and the others end up with its mates.
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Worst case is a wrong pile first, "give it to someone other than yourself" and then the right one. One way to proceed is then to ask the spectator "why this pile?" They will come up with some reason they went to that pile and the magi can use that as an excuse to have them take it. Then distribute the remaining piles and talk about the shuffling that occurred, or other matters, to provide "time/focus misdirection." Another out is to follow the right pile and then announce who's got it, in case it's not the magi, as if that's part of the trick. Spectator management is always an issue with close-up magic, and sometimes a bit more so with "self-working" tricks like this one.
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And if something hadn't worked quite right, it wouldn't have ended up on TV. Smile
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