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Dave V Inner circle Las Vegas, NV 4824 Posts |
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On 2004-06-25 01:20, SPLAT wrote: I'm trying hard to find something to praise. The concept was good, and so were the performers, but the "show" did not leave viewers with anything but an hour of "eye candy" devoid of any real content. I was tempted to outline the problems I saw (not with the performers, they worked well with what they had to work with) but I realized it would sound like so many other posts I read today. Magicians are interested in promoting magic, but sadly this show just didn't help.
No trees were killed in the making of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
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hnegash Regular user 185 Posts |
Hnegash, what you just described IS great, and its the kind of impact your magic should always have.
However, after doing something like that, what do they go and do? Cop the fact that it was a trick at the end, destroying any mystery they'd worked to build. They turned one of the most magical experiences a person can have, into a practical joke. They rationalized everything for the audience, which to me is like the inverse of magic. I just want people to know the way it was intended to be when the whole concept was thought of, what you saw last night was close, but still far from the way it was meant to be done. Michael Michael, No matter what you do your audience will know that it is a trick and not real magic. As someone else posted those audience members had to sign a release which negates the thought of actual magic. Even if they didn't have to sign a release they would have seem themselves on TV and came to the realization that they were part of a new TV show called THEM. Even when someone goes to watch Copperfield perform you know that what he is doing is a show and not real magic. I think 95% of the people we perform for know that they aren't seeing real magic, but rather they saw something they can't explain and they enjoyed being fooled for that instance. I hope the show keeps going, and I'll do my best to keep tuning in. Henok |
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Neale Bacon Inner circle Burnaby BC Canada 1775 Posts |
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On 2004-06-24 22:04, magicswan wrote: and whats wrong with dressing like a clown? I am sorry but I take that very personally on behalf of all clowns.
Neale Bacon and his Crazy Critters
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flobiwan Regular user 165 Posts |
I missed the special! Can anyone make me a copy? I'll be more than happy to pay you for your time. Thanks.
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magicswan Loyal user springfield,ma 253 Posts |
And you should, I've done it and it sucked. Try it out in L.A. w/ 100 degree weather for 4 hours straight then get back to me.
I feel bad for the poor guy that had to sit inside the vending machine until it was time for him to earn that check. I wonder if it was the same guy that had to sit in the window over night for blaine's "penetration frame" type effect. Ahh, magic |
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JoeJoe Inner circle Myrtle Beach 1915 Posts |
What would the point of doing a magic trick be and not claiming any type of credit for it? Are you suggesting that you would go out and do magic tricks for people, and not let them know you are a magician? Of course they are going to reveal it was a trick! That's how people know they are "magicians". What is the point of fooling someone and not letting them know they were fooled - it's the basic principle of magic. Minder readers and side-show freaks do "real" things, magicians do magic tricks.
The magicians on the show were top notch, and they are on TV for a reason ... the effects they did were excellent. My girlfriend and I both enjoyed it very much, and were glad to see more magic on TV. I just wish they had more pre-publicity as most people I've talked to didn't even know it was on. I was looking forward to answering "no - I'm all of them" when people asked if I was one of them. What we liked the most about the show was the way a group of magicians could work together without letting their egos get in the way - they truely allowed the audience to take the spotlight, which is where is belongs - without an audience, there is no magic. Oh yea ... "smile - your on candid camera" ... do you think their audience ever got tired of hearing that? Might have been reputative, but it certainly worked for them.
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Nathan Pain Inner circle iowa 2825 Posts |
JoeJoe,
I can tell you why magicians would want to do this... Just remember the last time you were amazed, or the last time something in your house moved without any sort of explanation. Perhaps you saw something move out of the corner of your eye. Total astonishment is why we should do this. Like when peopleclaim an angel came into their life and did something for them. I wanna be a little magical angel! Nathan Pain
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JoeJoe Inner circle Myrtle Beach 1915 Posts |
They already do those shows - paranormal stuff. X-Files did really good with that hook. But if you want a "magic show", then there needs to be a magician fooling people. Otherwise, it's not magic and they wouldn't need to hire any magicians.
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Svengali Regular user USA 138 Posts |
Well, JoeJoe, why do you think the X-Files was such a success???
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magicswan Loyal user springfield,ma 253 Posts |
I just wanna take em down hard, make their brains hurt and have them up for weeks trying to reconstruct the exact moment before reality & illusion came crashing down.....
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levitate Veteran user 319 Posts |
If you tell them you are doing magic tricks, I doubt reality and illusion will come crashing down . . .
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JoeJoe Inner circle Myrtle Beach 1915 Posts |
But if you don't tell them you are doing a magic trick, then your not being a magician ... your a side-show freak, or a paranormalist, or a mentalist.
The ones that got the TV show were magicians, they did magic tricks ... what did you expect from them? Ya'all act like they weren't good magicians because they did magic tricks? I don't understand your logic - it makes no sence. They were magicians, they did magic tricks. That's what their sopposed to do - they are magicians.
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MISTER E New user 46 Posts |
What makes magic real for our spectators is the feeling they are left with after the fact. People can go to a staged magic show full-well knowing that they are being tricked. That's why they bought the ticket. But the feeling they get from the effect is what will stay with them. Think about any movie or Broadway play. The audience knows it's not real, but they still feel the realism and can choose take it home with them.
Magic is no different. No one truly believes you really levitated across that doorway, and no one believes that ANY of us have supernatural powers (if they truly did, then they'd follow us home and call themselves our 'disciples'.) But they (some not all) accept the illusion and are entertained. By all means, strive to make believers out of your audience. That is our goal as a brotherhood. And I do mean "by all means" which includes the way THEM presented their magic. Those onlookers bought it! Regardless of the fact that they were let off the hook at the end, they still saw what they saw. They were believers. Admittedly, I could have done without the MTV edits, but my kids had no complaints, nor did my layperson friends. They all thought the magic was good and the reactions fun. Bottom line is they were impressed and entertained. "I'm one of THEM" to me, at first seemed a little overplayed. But then again, so was "Smile, you're on Candid Camera." And we all know how big that became. By the way, does anybody know the ratings? I'm sure that would verify THEM's popularity or non-popularity outside of our circle. -E |
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broothal Elite user Europe 448 Posts |
My thoughts on this:
- It wasn't exactly hidden camera. The casino bit was obviously staged as was many other scenes. - It wasn't exactly magic. Many of the effect looked like they were created by a layman with knowledge of F/X (vending machine etc) - It wasn't exactly extreme. Lest you account gross as extreme. - It wasn't exactly "total". I don't even know what that's supposed to mean. - They weren't exactly THEM (meaning us - magicians). The effects they showed in the "reality TV" in-betweens were stuff anyone can buy and perform instantly. The good thing there is to say about this is, that it obviously has sparked some interest in magic, and I have to give them credit for that. The bad thing is, that most of the effects shown on that show will be available to anyone with cash any time now. Just like some magic dealers sells "david blaine tricks" to the public, I expect to see a flood of "them" tricks available at you-know-where. |
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MISTER E New user 46 Posts |
Hey all, a colleague just emailed this to me. Needless to say, I'm quite impressed...
-------------------- So this is what I found, E. Of the 9: 8 of THEM have performed at the Magic Castle, 7 of THEM graduated from the Magic Castle Junior Program, 6 of THEM still perform at the Castle, 4 of THEM received the Junior Acheivement Award from the Castle, 4 of THEM received the Milbourne Christopher Award from the SAM, 3 of THEM were invited to compete at FISM, 2 of THEM won at FISM, 2 of THEM received the Mystic Craig Award from the SAM, 1 of THEM won Lance Burton's Top Teenage Challenge, and 1 of THEM won the Siegfried & Roy Golden Lion's Head Award. --------------------- Cheers, -E |
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Nathan Pain Inner circle iowa 2825 Posts |
Actually maybe it comes down to ego...what's so wrong with creating a moment and not taking credit for it. Keep that feeling inside and go with it...There is no need to run to the hilltops and scream, "I'm a magician, hear me roar!" We aren't saying do this all the time because it's nice to get paid too! Just have some fun, don't take all the credit, and leave them astonished!
Nathan Pain
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magicswan Loyal user springfield,ma 253 Posts |
Levitate...cool name by the way. Ok, maybe you should read the WHOLE thing, instead of random parts before you decide to put your 2 cents in. Just a little advice for next time there champion.
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jwebyra Regular user New Jersey 140 Posts |
I found the show to be entertaining, however I felt N.B.C. should have put it on at a later hour than 8:00 pm EDT.
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levitate Veteran user 319 Posts |
Read the whole thing . . . I've posted several times throughout in case you haven't noticed, so I don't know what you mean.
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JoeJoe Inner circle Myrtle Beach 1915 Posts |
It does come down to ego - and not one of the T.H.E.M. had one ... they didn't even mention their names, they mearly pointed out that they were one of "THEM". And that was one of the highlights for myself, I really enjoyed seeing a magic show where the magicians were just down to earth people out having fun.
There was no massive build-up of the number people that have failed trying to fly, there was no larger-than-life set with exotic animals, there was no mention of FISM or other awards, and noone was trying to claim they were the "greatest". It was just a bunch of magicians out and about having fun. I think we all can learn from that, the THEM team did an incrediable job. I work in Myrtle Beach, where there are at least nine pro magicians and our egos are always stepping on each other - not intentionaly, it just happens. The mental notes I made have nothing to do with their tricks or effects, but with the way they worked together for the greater good of magic. You can reveal your a magician and do magic tricks without a superiority complex and they set a wonderful example.
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