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craigkennedy64 New user 10 Posts |
I was at a convention last thursday and overheard someone talking about a monte preformed using no SOH, and relied purely on a gimmick. has anyone heard of this?
Kennedy
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dynamiteassasin Inner circle Naval Air Facility, Atsugi, Japan 1158 Posts |
There is a
2 Card Monte that is gimmicked and there is 3 Card Monte that is gimmicked and also there is this thing Penguinmagic sells called Ulti Monte that is also gimmicked. |
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SIX Inner circle New York City 1772 Posts |
Michae Skinners ultimate three card monte no soh and is great look into bill Malones handling on OTL 1.
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Randy Sager Elite user 409 Posts |
There are a few Monte effects which use gaffs. In the book Ken Brooke The Unique Years there is one called the Dutch Looper. I made one up once and it worked very well.
Just to name a couple more. Side Walk Shuffle, Chase The Ace (Which uses the same gaffs as Skinner's Ultimate Monte) Ton Onosaka put out a monte effect a few years back as well. So there are several out there to choose from. |
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RiffClown Inner circle Yorktown, Virginia (Previously Germany) 1579 Posts |
Skinner's Ultimate 3 Card Monte is (IMHO) the best version out there.
Rob "Riff, the Magical Clown" Eubank aka RiffClown
<BR>http://www.riffclown.com <BR>Magic is not the method, but the presentation. |
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rtgreen Inner circle Portland, Oregon 1322 Posts |
I've used both color monte and Skinner's monte with great reactions. It would be hard to choose a favorite. Color monte is, of course, a comedy routine and doesn't have any sense of threat to the spectator. However, if you want to ad a little "serious" edge to your monte, then the Skinner version is great (I won't say best because there are so many good versions out there).
All things considered, though, the classic monte from Erdnase is not very difficult technically and can be done with any cards anywhere. |
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SIX Inner circle New York City 1772 Posts |
I do a comedy version of Skinners monty Bill Malones on the loose volume one.Worth evey penny.
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rannie Inner circle 4375 Posts |
I have been using Skinner's monte for years and nothing tops that . I intergrate it with my full deck routines . I make a s@@@H and BANG ! I go straight to the monte!
"If you can't teach an old dog new tricks, trick the old dog to learn."
-Rannie Raymundo- aka The Boss aka The Manila Enforcer www.rannieraymundo.com www.tapm.proboards80.net |
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dynamiteassasin Inner circle Naval Air Facility, Atsugi, Japan 1158 Posts |
Oh yah! for a 3 packet trick Color Monte does it!
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Fayaad Manie Loyal user 237 Posts |
Michael Skinner's routine gets my vote
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Marco S. Inner circle 1017 Posts |
There is one monte which is (almost)as good as Skinner`s and that is stand-up monte. Great effect. Check it out at penguinmagic.com. They have got a video of it.
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Boroballa New user 61 Posts |
There is also an effect called Ultimonte that is very good.
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ursusminor Elite user Norway 443 Posts |
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On 2004-06-26 17:06, Boroballa wrote: Isn't this just a variation of "Amaso"? Bjørn
"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them
pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing happened." - Winston Churchill" |
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Boroballa New user 61 Posts |
I do not know it is created by Harold Catquet , I dunno if that is how you spell his last name but he created it.
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Scott Cram Inner circle 2678 Posts |
As far as gimmicked monte routines go, there's:
Ultimate 3-card Monte (Michael Skinner) Unconquered Card (Mike Rogers) Temptation (Gordon Bean) Bammo Monte Monster (Bob Farmer) Sidewalk Shuffle (Martin Lewis) Ultimonte (Harold Cataquet, aka "Harry the Cat") (Interestingly, the first four on this list can all be done with each other's gimmicks) |
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Uli Weigel Inner circle Berlin, Germany 1478 Posts |
By the way, Ultimate 3-card Monte is more or less the same routine as "Find the Ace" by Eddie Taytelbaum out of Dai Vernon's Ultimate Secrets of Card Magic by Lewis Ganson.
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Jordini Inner circle 2765 Posts |
I personally think you should learn the real three card monte. As soon as I started I couldn't put the cards down, I love it. It's actually very fun to perform. I was out on my second day stumping everyone with it.
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Bob Farmer Elite user Magic Forest 428 Posts |
Scott's assertion that these four routines:
Ultimate 3-card Monte (Michael Skinner) Unconquered Card (Mike Rogers) Temptation (Gordon Bean) Bammo Monte Monster (Bob Farmer) use the same gimmicks is incorrect. The gaffs in Bean's "Temptation" are very different from the other three routines and his routine is also very different. You cannot use the Skinner and Rogers gaffs to perform the Bammo Monte Monster, but you can use the Bammo Monte Monster gaffs to perform the Skinner and Rogers routines. In addition to the Bammo Monte Monster, I also market the Bammo Monte Monster Reloaded which includes two sets of replacement gaffs, a complete history and analysis of the Taytelbaum-Skinner-Rogers routine, and a method for the Taytelbaum-Skinner-Rogers routine using the Bammo cards. |
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MagicbyCarlo Inner circle has squandered his time making 1062 Posts |
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On 2004-06-27 13:44, Jordini wrote: You probably don't live in NYC, and you're probably not “stumping” anyone familiar with Three-Card Monte. I learned the toss, Mexican Turnover and bent corner ruse at age 10 along with every other kid on my block in Brooklyn, 33 years ago. This isn’t a boast or put down. It's just that unless it's in the context of a gambling demonstration showing your skill at the Monte, or unless you are able to switch cards in and out undetected, in my opinion it isn’t all that entertaining to fool people with three-Card Monte, except maybe for he that's doing the fooling. And maybe for teenagers who might think it's cool, again no offense to teenagers, they absolutely do have a right to be entertained! The gimmicked versions don’t rely on tricky or confusing looking moves that are carried out under the watchful audience’s eye. The effect becomes more magical because of its unhurried clarity of action. Be warned, however, it’s almost too perfect. This is addressed in the Michael Skinner booklet. With the proper presentation, I think the gimmicked Three-Card Monte lends itself to magical theater. I prefer a presentation of the Monte that doesn't challenge the audience to find the card, but instead describes my own plight against a ruthless con man and card shark. Let's put it this way: I have NEVER been challenged to allow examination of the cards, and it is one of my most requested close-up routines. The ONLY drawback is that you need a surface to perform it on. I have done it on the seats of chairs, tables, floors and even on a cardboard box covered with a towel. There isn't to much that beats the pure no-move magic of this effect, and non-magician audiences seem to eat it up! My inspiration for my presentation was The Performance of Close-Up Magic by Eugene Burger, Chapter 9 Three-Card Monte as a Magical Entertainment. Interestingly enough, Mr. Burger's handling is in fact the sleight of hand method, which you can find, included in Dai Vernon's Further Secrets of Card Magic, and watch him perform on Gourmet Close-Up. Darwin Ortiz also offered some excellent suggestions in Darwin Ortiz At The Card Table. The gimmicks and moves I use are Michael Skinner's distributed by L&L Publishing. As a final note: The real secret of Three-Card Monte is the con itself, which is an organized, well-planned grift designed to separate the mark from his money.
Carlo DeBlasio
<BR>Entertainment specialist <BR>and all around fun guy! |
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erictan8888 Special user Singapore 517 Posts |
Just to add on some Monte's not mentioned above:
Stand-up Monte is pretty good to perform for laymen. Magicians tend to know how it's done, because they know the gaffs. Similar to Michael Skinner's Ultimate 3 Card Monte is Daryl's version of the same thing, called Ultra Monte. The only different is that the money card is of a different colour. I prefer Daryl's version for this reason. There is also a version of the color Monte known as the Gypsy Monte by Paul Wilson. I like it, for the cards add more mystery to the effect. There is also another variant of the Gypsy Monte, by Mr Piccard which is very mystifying to the audience as well. You do not end clean. There is also the Hunter's Monte which I like a lot. Basically the spectator is to follow the money card, as in all Monte routines. You end up clean. Also, there is another great Monte effect, not so commonly mentioned is the Mondo Monte. Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe this is an effect belonging to Hank Lee. Very nice effect where the spectator always can't seem to get the money card even when all odds are against the performer. You don't end clean. As Carlo mentioned above, the gaffed version is more magical to the audience as the moves are done slowly, yet they can't seem to know where the money card will end up. Now, there is the latest product on the market: the Exchange. This product has solved all my problems of performing gimmicked Montes. It allows you to switch out the gimmicked cards for normal cards, so you end up clean. But in so many performances of Monte effects, there are rarely times when people ask to see the cards. eric
"Fill you life with magic by making magic a part of your life." by eric tan.
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