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tonsofquestions Inner circle 1802 Posts |
Ha, I was actually just about to add in that I was surprised not to see a Traveler in that collection.
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korttihai_82 Inner circle Finland 1880 Posts |
I own two JOL wallets but I use them for storage only. One is for half dollars and other for dollar size coins. The pockets inside for coins are too loose to use them while working and placing wallet into pocket just causes the coins to slide out of the pockets. So when opened they just fall out. The pockets would need more elastic or friction material and these would be perfect also while performing.
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Calvin Tong Special user 718 Posts |
Nice effort folks. this is just some of my coin wallets. :o)
the official marketed names are listed below. Words in CAPs reflect what was missing in the descriptions. Devil is in the details. 1)Quiver "PLUS" 2)"HIMBER COIN PURSE" (as stated directly on the box). 3)Vision Purse by Seo Magic. Yes, it does not look like a coin purse, but is is VERY deceptive and a little known prop which I have used to fool magicians. 4)It is not tripurse. The proper name is a mouth-full "SANDSMIND'S WORKERS COLLECTION COIN POUCH." :o) 5)FPS "COIN WALLET" 6)Pocket Portal As for the Traveler, my coins never tarnished in it as well. There have been a few different coin purses (including the traveler) where owners reported this symptom. But there is no official data to date (that I am aware of) suggesting that it is a systemic issue with the traveler. I think people could be reading magic Café threads and repeating information they have read. I spoke with Todd Lassen about this years ago because it happened with one of his customer's JOL coin purse (but I never experienced it with my JOLs). He had some theories, but he could not say with 100% assurance the root cause.
Cal Tong
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inigmntoya Inner circle DC area native, now in Atlanta 2350 Posts |
I'm assuming you're talking about the "memory card wallet" style?
I've had that problem with similar cases. There's no room for coins to slide around in the basic JOL coin purse or the roll-up JOL Coin Tidy. Quote:
On May 12, 2022, korttihai_82 wrote: |
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Calvin Tong Special user 718 Posts |
Yes, it was the regular JOL (looks just the like himber in the picture) that had the tarnish symptom, but I never experienced the problem with my JOLs. As for the size, The JOL (nonHimber) is the perfect size for "one" dollar sized coin gaff. If it is overstretched with multiple coins in half dollar or dollar size, it can loosen up and open itself up un-intentionally when reaching in your pocket. I made that mistake myself by loading one wallet up too much.
As for the Pocket Portal, Sam will say that it is not gaffed. IMO, the answer is not black and white. He designed it in a certain way to take advantage of a very specific feature of the coin pouch that you will not find with any typical coin pouch/purse/holders. The way that sleights are used to execute the magic with Pocket Portal cannot be done with any other coin purse that I have found to date.... and I have searched but have not been successful. :o). Maybe I need to search harder? :o)
Cal Tong
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tonsofquestions Inner circle 1802 Posts |
- It's worth observing that you switched orders from left-to-right first to top-to-bottom first.
- I believe there were multiple himber coin purses that were made by different manufacturers, so it's important to still specify the JOL - I think you flipped the FPS and Pocket portal in your list. - Tripurse in this context is "triangle coin purse", which is what that is, even if they called it by a different name. Since Sansminds only made one such purse, I figured it the meaning was clear, though you're right that it's not the official name. - The Vision Purse has always been in a similar space in my head as the more traditional (but poorly named) "coin bag" e.g. https://www.penguinmagic.com/p/15794. As far as the Pocket Portal being gimmicked or not, the real distinguisher to me is how closely someone could inspect the item and whether they'd notice something. Sansminds coin pouch? Can't look at it, you'd immediately see the thing (not that they'd be likely to understand it). Same thing with a Boston Box or Himber. FPS? Quickly seen. Quiver or vision purse? - it would stand a casual inspection, but not a deep one. The Pocket Portal can be examined to anyone's hearts content, and nothing untoward will ever be seen since there's nothing unusual about it. It's exactly as it appears to be, with no slits, trap doors, or secret compartments, as magicians like to joke about. Sure, the design assists with the method, but it's otherwise 100% sleight of hand. It's like saying someone doing a retention of vision into your mouth (like Danny Goldsmith likes to do) is gimmicked (it's not https://youtu.be/1sz256rANdQ?t=34). There are some great visual and audible convincers (you can't hear those in this particular video) but everything is 100% examinable, (including his mouth, should you want to). You're right that you can't do the sleights with any other wallet on the market (that I know of), but that doesn't make it gimmicked. There are things you can do with the wallet in the Vega set (https://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S32769) that you can't with any other wallet - namely roll it up into a cylinder for a coins and cylinder set. But it turns out that the gaff is still what you think it is (though a little different than the traditional one for some extra subtleties) and not in the wallet. It's just a triangle wallet with an extra button post. Not gimmicked. |
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Calvin Tong Special user 718 Posts |
By the way, those are a lot of dollar size coins to put in that traveler. I am surprised they don't want to walk out of there. :o)
I have to say that I love Todd's Triskelion Copper Coins. yours has a nice patina. is it the lighting, or did they darken differently? My only concern with many of these coin purses that use a snap button fastener is with long term reliability. They get loose over time with usage. caL
Cal Tong
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inigmntoya Inner circle DC area native, now in Atlanta 2350 Posts |
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On May 13, 2022, tonsofquestions wrote: Was this a reply to my post? I went to edit it after realizing the triangular one was Sansminds not the Mobius and it looks like it got all garbled instead. 🙄 |
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inigmntoya Inner circle DC area native, now in Atlanta 2350 Posts |
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On May 13, 2022, Calvin Tong wrote: Yeah, it's kind of overstuffed, but it let's me do three of my favorite routines. Samoya with a Victorian Crown and a Morgan, Roth's Coins Across with the Morgans, and Dan Harlan's Rising Dough with Morgans and the Onasaka coin. Quote:
It's rather difficult to capture what coins actually look like in photos. A bit of change in the lighting makes a big difference. These copper crowns came pristine from Lassen. This is how they aged in the Traveler. The Triskelion coins in my CSB set (gimmick and normal) were obtained separately and needed to be cleaned to match. I forget what I used but the last step was likely Nevr-Dull. It leaves a film that helps to prevent re-tarnishing but also can make coins feel slippery so I usually buff as much of that off as I can. That does tend to cause them to oxidize differently. Quote:
I can't think of any snaps that failed but I'm not opening and closing them a lot. I'm more concerned with the metal part of snaps on the inside of coin pouches/purses. If there's no liner over them they might scratch or nick the coins (not an issue if using old/worn/soft coins but some of my sets have new, almost mirror-like finishes). |
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korttihai_82 Inner circle Finland 1880 Posts |
Yes, I am referring to this wallet https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/himber......ippered/
I would like to have 4 coins+[ , flipper and 2copper-1 silver all in same wallet. Possibly also super triple. But I made a section for them in my everyday wallet, it just takes much more space than what JOL style purse would take. Juha-Matti Quote:
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tonsofquestions Inner circle 1802 Posts |
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On May 13, 2022, inigmntoya wrote: Nope, that was to Calvin. We went by rows, he went by column. I felt it was worth highlighting for anyone comparing the lists. Also, I think you must've missed your edit, since the post I see still says Mobius. For the closure, JOL also makes some single-coin ones with magnets. Which have slightly different potential problems, but at least won't get loose over time in the same way. I also agree about the inside metal of the snap, and the magnetic version protects against that, too. |
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tonsofquestions Inner circle 1802 Posts |
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On May 13, 2022, korttihai_82 wrote: If you want multiple coins like that, you could consider one of the JOL coin tidy's (that inigmntoya referenced) https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/coin-purses/coin-tidy/ or there are a few of other multi-pocket wallets that have similar (tight) compartments. I know Ronjo makes one like this (https://www.penguinmagic.com/p/8362, I can't speak to the quality), TCC made one (https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/magic-accessories/combo-coin-bag/), though it's less streamlined, and there are a bunch of pocket-geared ones, like Carl Andrew's Pocket Pocket (https://www.carlandrews.com/products.html) intended for easy access. (Not the only one in this style, I know Kainoa has one, too, as do others). |
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inigmntoya Inner circle DC area native, now in Atlanta 2350 Posts |
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On May 13, 2022, korttihai_82 wrote: This is also on the large side but maybe there's something smaller out there with flaps like this one to keep things from sliding out. This one also has a belt loop that secures with both velcro and a snap if you don't want to put it in a pocket. |
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KevinWisch Regular user 193 Posts |
For posterity:
The "SANDSMIND'S WORKERS COLLECTION COIN POUCH" and "Mobius" are both extremely similar and based on the Wisch-Purse, developed by my father in the early 1990s. Neither Sandsminds, nor Tony Miller mentioned the Wisch-Purse in their advertising of their pouches. The Mobius has an extra "pouch" which makes it not a complete copy; the sandsmind's lacks that pouch which, imho, makes it a complete copy of my fathers with no credit given. The Wisch-Purse was marketed heavily by George Schindler (see ad that appeared in The Linking Ring in 1990) so my father's wallet was well known in the magic community, way before these two wallets even existed. |
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inigmntoya Inner circle DC area native, now in Atlanta 2350 Posts |
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On May 14, 2022, KevinWisch wrote: The Sansminds purse has its own bit of something extra. Was the Wisch purse the first of its type, or just the first to be applied to magical use? Is the Wisch booklet available for purchase anywhere besides the 2nd-hand /used market? This probably deserves its own post/thread for discussion. |
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KevinWisch Regular user 193 Posts |
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On May 14, 2022, inigmntoya wrote: Glad to hear- could you pm me what is different? Thank you. This still does NOT excuse the clear ripoff that was both of these wallets with no credit given for years. Sorry to be so blunt, but that is the only word I can use. Perhaps they didn't know of the Wisch-Purse, but I would have had a better time believing that if my father's purse was not so heavily marketed and included with such names as Schindler, Zevin, Decamps and Osterlind. It's own thread would be nice, but I have mentioned this in other threads without a single response from ANYONE in the magic community about this. These wallets are still being sold by companies today, with no credit given. Inexcusable. That said, the Wisch Purse was the first wallet of this type applied to magic. It was the first "Tri-Fold" coin wallet applied to magic, to my father's knowledge, at the time of its creation. It is not available for purchase at present time. It comes up on Ebay every 2-3 years. My father found 10 extras and we sold them through his website a year ago- they sold out within 3 days. - Kevin |
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Calvin Tong Special user 718 Posts |
Kevin,
thanks for the education. We want to support the original creators and there should be proper credit given. I understand the Wisch Purse is no longer sold. However, I too would like to know where I can obtain the booklet and study it order to see the differences if any. Maybe consider reprinting/selling a limited number? I would be interested. It is true that the Sansminds version has a hold out feature. Does the Wisch Purse have this? caL
Cal Tong
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KevinWisch Regular user 193 Posts |
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On May 14, 2022, Calvin Tong wrote: Hi Cal, Thank you for the kind words and I appreciate the sentiment and desire to give credit to original creators. There are no plans to re-print the booklet at this time. With the wallets having already been sold in great numbers, there simply is no incentive (financial or otherwise) to re-release the book. Seeing as to how the wallet itself was treated, I must assume that if the booklet was re-released, I would see the creators of such wallets reprinting those routines without proper credit or remuneration given to my father. The old saying applies; "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice...... shame on me." My father was the first person to utilize the "tri-fold" wallet design in magic. He was not given credit by anyone who came after him who created additional tri-fold wallet designs. As long as he is given credit for that fact moving forward, I have done my job. - Kevin |
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Calvin Tong Special user 718 Posts |
Thanks Kevin.
I will keep that in mind and help spread the word when the Wisch Purse variants pop up and discussions take place. caL
Cal Tong
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KevinWisch Regular user 193 Posts |
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On May 14, 2022, Calvin Tong wrote: Thank you, Cal. That's all I can ask. If we do decide to put out the booklet, I will be sure to let you know via pm. Cheers. - Kevin |
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