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I know you should never run when you're not being chased, but I also know, from experience, that some specs will try to reconstruct the Invisible Deck routine and conclude that, via sleight of hand, the magician found the named selection and flipped it over.

So I figure, the sooner you show the reversed card, the better, especially if you can minimize the amount of handling involved.

To that end, I started just raising the uncased deck the INSTANT the card is named and snapping it into a thumb-fan, taking only another second or two to locate and display the reversed card.

That's the fastest possible reveal of the reversed card with the smallest amount of "handling" that I could possibly imagine.

BUT ... I've never been able to get reactions as good as I do with the hand-to-hand spread. That seems to be the case no matter how long I put off revealing the identity of the reversed card.

Any thoughts on this? Anyone experience anything similar? Is there something organic about hand-to-hand spreading that more naturally builds drama? Or ... is there a "too perfect" element to the thumb-fan, where hand-to-hand spreading allows the specs to believe you DID use sleight of hand, and react accordingly. Maybe they're inclined to be less impressed if there's obviously less skill involved.
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So you are looking for a method that they conclude is magic?

Just l what percentage of spectators do you believe are reconstructing and coming to that conclusion? Because if it is really low, why bother? If it is really high then the problem may be in the presentation.
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I'm not asking about reverse engineering ... that was mentioned as my motivation for "speeding up" the effect

I was asking about the impact and reasons for it.

The reactions are noticeably lesser with the thumb-fan presentation vs. hand-to-hand spread

I dunno .. does an Invisible Deck thumb-fan look weird (because only 26 cards are visible)?
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Have you ever seen a person outside of a magician do a card fan of any sort? Ever? Anywhere? Dealers don't do them in Vegas, folks don't do them at their kitchen tables as a rule.

Maybe you are giving them MORE reason to suspect tricky movements when doing something that obviously requires skill?

I don't think the effect needs to be "sped up" at all. Again if you are having these problems the solution might be in presentation more than working. Nobody is counting how many cards are visible. You are not building any drama at all with the hand to hand spread. Because where it comes right to it there are only 26 cards visible there as well.

Again if they are reconstructing so regularly that it is an issue for you the problem is not in the handling, unless you are doing it abysmal. (Which I simply doubt you are.) So the problem can only be in one other place. Magicians as a group are reluctant to believe this can be the problem but oh so many times it really is.
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HAH!

Yeah I think that's it EXACTLY

The thumb-fan display is, as you point out and I 100% agree, unique to magicians.

Thank you, not just for this effect but the important reminder that we tend to "see" things differently from the lay public

Really my FIRST question I should've asked myself was, "What am I doing that a lay person wouldn't do?"

Thanks!
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Yes we see things differently from the public. Otherwise an Ascanio spread would probably not exist.
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Funny you should mention Ascanio ... it's part of my very favorite card trick ever, Curtis Kam's Cannibal Cards plot

But in THAT trick, it's used first to hide a card, THEN repeated with only four cards. Noting the audience seems suspicious, you then spread the cards normally and count them.

In other words, the trick capitalizes on the fact that Ascanio looks so suspicious
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Yea… that is what magicians tell themselves.

Just for reference on cannibal cards you may want to see this.

http://geniimagazine.com/wiki/index.php/Cannibal_Cards
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On Jan 31, 2022, Avocat wrote:
I know you should never run when you're not being chased, but I also know, from experience, that some specs will try to reconstruct the Invisible Deck routine and conclude that, via sleight of hand, the magician found the named selection and flipped it over.


Why is this a bad thing? Also, how can spectator reach such a conclusion with any handling of the ID? That's the strength of ID, there is no way the magician could have done the above.
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Perhaps there is more suspense when you spread thru the cards.
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