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Schlawiner
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Hi,

is there a gimmick which can be used to get rid of a card which I palmed? (e.g.: with left hand bottom palm or right hand top palm). I could just drop the card in my lap while sitting or move the card into a pocket, but is there something which can be used to very quickly get rid of the card which is hard to see? Do you have any favorit technique for this?
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"Sleight of hand."-- Seems like having a gimmick of some sort would create problems of it's own.
Don't know of any in your scenario. There are a couple ways you could go depending on the effect you
are performing. (without a gimmick)
Guilt will betray you before technique betrays you!
Schlawiner
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I will give you an example:

Spectator selects a card and I control it to the bottom. Then I bottom palm while I show that the card is not on top, then I show that it is not on bottom (it's in my left hand palmed). Then I want to get rid of the card and instead take another card from e.g.: an index. I would therefore want to somehow quickly get rid of the palmed card, then openly give the cards to the spectator so that he shuffles the deck (I show both hands open while I give the cards to the spectator).

Then I turn away while he shuffles and I can get the card from the index while turned away.

Theoretically, I could just use my right hand to give the spectator the cards to shuffle (and hold the palmed card in my left hand) and then just turn away and remove the palmed card while I also access the index. But I think it would be more powerful if I can show both hands when I give the cards to the spectator (which means I must get rid of the palmed card beforehand).
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Smile Smile
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Can you say what the actual purpose is ?

As is, it sounds like you are going to a lot of trouble, just to show your hands explicitly empty while handing out the deck to be shuffled (while keeping control of the selection). But I assume there must be more to it than that.

Is there a specific reason, important to the routine, that your hands need to be shown explicitly empty at this point ?

Why is the spectator shuffling the cards ?

If this trick is from a book, you could tell us what trick you're working on, if you wish. Someone here will undoubtedly know it, and be able to offer more specific advice.




Jim
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A shimmer card with a magnetic hold out? Seems very complex for just ditching a card though. Just an idea.
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Shimmed.
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If you are wearing a jacket a card clip will work, if you are wearing a button down shirt something like TKO will work.
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I personally use the gimmick that comes with "Any Signed Card to Any Spectator's Wallet by Jeff Kaylor and Michael Ammar".
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On Mar 11, 2022, Schlawiner wrote:
I will give you an example:

Spectator selects a card and I control it to the bottom. Then I bottom palm while I show that the card is not on top, then I show that it is not on bottom (it's in my left hand palmed). Then I want to get rid of the card and instead take another card from e.g.: an index. I would therefore want to somehow quickly get rid of the palmed card, then openly give the cards to the spectator so that he shuffles the deck (I show both hands open while I give the cards to the spectator).

Then I turn away while he shuffles and I can get the card from the index while turned away.

Theoretically, I could just use my right hand to give the spectator the cards to shuffle (and hold the palmed card in my left hand) and then just turn away and remove the palmed card while I also access the index. But I think it would be more powerful if I can show both hands when I give the cards to the spectator (which means I must get rid of the palmed card beforehand).


I think there is a few points that your missing here Schlawiner. Your perception of it being more "powerful" to show your hands empty will go unnoticed by the simple fact that your spectator will be focusing on shuffling the cards, not the apparent emptiness of your hands. So by giving the cards to the spectator to shuffle you are negating the very benefit that your trying to achieve.

I base this assertion on the simple fact that this concept in enshrined in the fundamental concepts of misdirection, which are:

The audience will pay attention to what moves. They will also pay attention to what makes noise.

What doesn't move and doesn't make noise doesn’t attract attention.

The audience will always look where the magician looks.

The magician must never look at what he wishes to conceal.

The audience will treat as important what the magician treats as important.

The audience will treat as unimportant what the magician treats as unimportant.

The magician nearly always treats what is important as if it were unimportant. Likewise, he treats what is unimportant as if it were important.


So critique your actions with those concepts in mind and you will see what I'm talking about and what your suggesting is illogical.


Magically

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Sometimes sleight of hand and misdirection is better than a gimmick, and sometimes trying to "over-prove" something that does not need to be actually weakens an effect. Experience will teach you when to use either or both.
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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On Mar 11, 2022, Schlawiner wrote:
But I think it would be more powerful if I can show both hands when I give the cards to the spectator (which means I must get rid of the palmed card beforehand).


Since you can control the selected card to the bottom of the deck, then I believe that a swift Mercury Card Fold plus a Gecko System will achieve the desired ditching outcome that closely matches your description. Else, get an "ACCOMPLICE" in the ditching crime. No pun intended... Smile



TomB
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If you do not need to being it back you don't need a tko, just slip it where the tko would be.

Before trying any gimmicks, why not try L*pp*ng or sl**v*ng? You could use misdirection and just slip it somewhere.
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On Apr 15, 2022, Nist wrote:
I personally use the gimmick that comes with "Any Signed Card to Any Spectator's Wallet by Jeff Kaylor and Michael Ammar".


Was going to say the same. Useful gimmick for these purposes. However I'd personally just go to my pocket.
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