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Overview: A must have for any mentalist out there...

Welcome to the Venom Case

The Venom Case is a business card case that acts as an impression device for the professional mystery performer.

The performer genuinely never touches the business card that the participant writes on and it never leaves the participants possession.

What is the Venom Case?

The Venom Case allows you to secretly obtain information that was wrote down on a business card that they keep hold of immediately and NEVER leaves their possession.
How the general process looks:
The performer takes out his/her metal business card case, removes a biz card for the helper to write down their thought.
They do this using the card case to rest on and using the open top of the case as a natural shield to prevent prying eyes from catching a glimpse. They finish, close up the case (or not) and immediately place the card into their own pocket.

Because they are not a thief they return the metal business card case back to the mind reader who is able to replicate what has been written once he/she has taken a whopping secret peek at the information brought back via the case. (and ooooh boy is it easy)

Included in the package is everything that you require to perform with the Venom Case, including the desired pen.

The Venom Case is designed for the professional performer.
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This appears to be exactly the same as "Business Confidential" by Tanner Wainwright. if you search here on the Café you can see it was put out a few years ago and had high praise.

Black cat has been made aware of this a couple of times on Facebook with Tanner Wainwright tagged, but has yet to acknowledge or reach out to Tanner.
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This is not new tech, nor a new method. But a very simple and devious presentation, reinforced by great customer service and attention to detail. All the kit performs just great. Get some thin stock business cards and you can go a couple of times before 'reloading'.
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With regards to Spongeabobs comment.

How exactly do you know it is the same method if you haven't purchased the Venom Case?

Also, you haven't tagged anyone, well not correctly anyway. You can't tag people if they aren't in the group.

I have no clue what method Tanners long defuct product used but it seems to be years off sale and definitely does not use the case or the wallet that comes with the Venom Case.

I'm sure if a particular party had any concerns then they can certainly reach out themselves. But their long off-sale item that doesn't use the items that I provide, and certainly will not have come with one of my pens which are the best in the business, can't really be fully compared to this.

Thanks for the concern.
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On Jul 25, 2022, The Black Cat wrote:
With regards to Spongeabobs comment.

How exactly do you know it is the same method if you haven't purchased the Venom Case?

Also, you haven't tagged anyone, well not correctly anyway. You can't tag people if they aren't in the group.

I have no clue what method Tanners long defuct product used but it seems to be years off sale and definitely does not use the case or the wallet that comes with the Venom Case.

I'm sure if a particular party had any concerns then they can certainly reach out themselves. But their long off-sale item that doesn't use the items that I provide, and certainly will not have come with one of my pens which are the best in the business, can't really be fully compared to this.

Thanks for the concern.


Dear Black P****cat,

Because it is the same.

Ah, so indeed you are aware. You just don't care. Well, that shows what kind or creator/person you are.

This tech isn't new, I know what you sell, it's irrelevant really as the "meat" is the handling/presentation for business cards. It doesn't matter your "tools" are the best M*******F*** and M******* p** on the market (today). What matters, creatively, is someone else came up with the IDEA of the same combination of items and handling and published it/sold it BEFORE you.

Here's the description of the effect from Ed/Ray himself.

"You open the case, remove one of your business cards and lay it on the closed case and hand the two, case and card, with a Sharpie to the spectator. You turn away if you want. When he's finished you hand him an envelope and ask him to put the business card inside and keep the envelope! !

You remove another of your business cards and put the case in your packet or use it as a writing surface as you wish! You write his thoughts on your card to prove that you have indeed read his mind!"

It should be a concern... but you're right, to the magic community as a whole, it isn't.
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Venom case is excellent.

Sponge, what are you expecting The Black Cat to do? Credit Tanner Wainwright? Something else?
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Also, I note the use of 'seems' in your initial post. Which can only mean you don't have Venom.

It's perfectly possible that the effects are very similar, and the methods quite different. This happens all the time in magic and mentalism. Just saying.
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Nice try spongebob.

No I was not aware of the product and I was not aware of Tanner and I was not even aware of the website.

I became aware of it when a chap on Facebook started creepily stalking any post to do with the Venom Case...you.

So I did my due diligence, researched what I cod, which was next to nothing, and concluded that there must be a pretty big reason why it is no longer on sale and didn't get any rave reviews and has not sold for years.

A ton on research and expense has gone into this to get the best possible impression and peeks. It doesn't sound that way with the other item. And it doesn't sound like anyone could be bothered with the upkeep either.

This isn't about a quick sale with VC. In fact, so much information is provided in order to give customers not only value for their purchase but also so that they NEVER need to come back for any replacements..for life.
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He doesn't have venom case.

Nor does he know what is actually possible with this version that isn't with any single case versions that may or may not exist.

Sorry..may have existed in some space or time.
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Venom case is excellent.

Sponge, what are you expecting The Black Cat to do? Credit Tanner Wainwright?

Isn't that what ethical creators do?
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Speaking of ethics.

I remember that the parapad came out circa 2012 and that Tanner's item, as noted by the details on the Café came out about 3 and a half to 4 years later.

Around that time paralabs were very possessive and defensive about anyone trying to use this open market material.

So I was wondering if you could shed some light on the conversation between Tanner and the chaps at paralabs with regards to getting the green light to bring out Business Confidential?

Was there such a conversation? Or is this perhaps the reason why BC was discontinued?
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On Jul 26, 2022, leipzisch wrote:
Venom case is excellent.

Sponge, what are you expecting The Black Cat to do? Credit Tanner Wainwright?

Isn't that what ethical creators do?


If it can be clearly established that a similar method was created before, then yes. That's still not clear (unless you or the creator can share this evidence).

Assuming this was a case of independent creation (which is a fair assumption), the credit would acknowledge this previous creation, but of course it would not be credited as inspiring the development of Venom Case.
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This does sound like a very similar product. Again, impossible to confirm without having both.

I can say that Venom works beautifully.
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So it looks like several creators have come up independently with same idea.

Now, back to the thread.
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On Jul 29, 2022, leipzisch wrote:
So it looks like several creators have come up independently with same idea.



Yes, some earlier and others a few years later.

Very interesting Smile .
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That's how it happens.
It's very rare for simultaneous independent creation to occur in magic.
Now, back to the thread (!)...
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Some really awesome feedback.

Did the ultimate,Peek device test with my wife today. At the start were: Insider / Telethought Wallet / nexus-wallet / orphic wallet / para pad / alias / venom.
The winner is: VENOM BY BLACK CAT MAGIC. Congratulations!
Luckily she was speechless because of my brilliant demonstration???? and she didn't even ask anymore why I have so many Peek devices????????

- Bruno H
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This works beautifully, Black Cat has produced solid products, and been great to do business with.
Look for all the world like you're counting the brain cells in his cranium.

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