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This is a great lecture as many have already noted. I use to get excited by a clever method but now realise it is the effect that matters. So much material here for the average magician. To compare Rhines Revenge ( a good method ) to Spideys ESP Match is just embarrassing.
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On Aug 7, 2022, Nathan Marsh wrote:
Just wanted to quickly chime in that Spidey's lecture is fantastic.
The numbering technique with the Svenpad was a B.F.D. for many of us (it played a big role in the centerpiece of my online shows during the height of the pandemic). The material here is well thought out and structured.
The most interesting thing for me was seeing someone who has taken the time to develop real expertise and proficiency in body language studies and profiling. This results in readings that are the most compelling I've seen, and I hope it encourages the rest of us to not be satisfied with transparent B.S. in our presentations of this kind of material.
At the risk of feeding the trolls, a brief response to the review at the top of this thread:
The great thing about the internet is that everyone has a voice. The awful thing about the internet is that everyone has a voice.
Having a video camera does not make someone an expert, and several of the specific complaints made are clearly not the kinds of notes an expert would make. The suggestion that most of this material can only be performed for a small group reveals someone without much experience blocking material for the stage. The notion that a stack of index cards -- as real world guests perceive them -- has something to do with "playing cards" reveals someone looking at the material designed for professional performance through a hobbyist's filter.
It's a fantastic lecture and a bargain at $40.
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Agree on all points.

Here is a new review today worth watching that goes into even greater depth. In the end magic consumers are smart enough to make their own choices.

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On Aug 2, 2022, Bernice wrote:
Whenever an established magic info product seller gets called out, their cabal of hopeful fawning shills always come out of the woodwork.


I completely agree. With just a simple search of Josh Burch's products on Penguin Magic we can find his product "Wordalism". Check out who has endorsed it ->

"Wordalism is a very cool adaptation of a classic principle with a modern and relevant theme that your audiences will get excited about. Great job Josh!" -Spidey

https://www.penguinmagic.com/p/17463


This is a small community, and we tend to talk to each other and show each other what we're working on. You're taking issue with the fact that two people in this tiny world know eacho ther and give feedback? There aren't really a lot of working mentalists and those that are tend to communicate with each other and build friendships.
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Since Mr Svenpad, who claim the ownership of Svengali Principle after OZ's TV success and overbearingly call other force pad "cheap knock off", decided to go for personal attack route, here is a quote from penny talking about internet killing mentalism

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2. We, as a community, need to STOP supporting the exposers, especially the YouTube exposers. If you see someone who does this, such as Spidey or Scam Nation or any of the YouTube sell outs don't support the conventions they are at, don't buy stuff from them, let them know you don't agree with what they are doing.
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Since Mr Svenpad, who claim the ownership of Svengali Principle after OZ's TV success and overbearingly call other force pad "cheap knock off", decided to go for personal attack route, here is a quote from penny talking about internet killing mentalism

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2. We, as a community, need to STOP supporting the exposers, especially the YouTube exposers. If you see someone who does this, such as Spidey or Scam Nation or any of the YouTube sell outs don't support the conventions they are at, don't buy stuff from them, let them know you don't agree with what they are doing.


This is common in magic. People make slight improvements on existing ideas and then want to cry ownership. We all know that the Svengali principle used in this way has been around forever and the excuse is "I credited them".

It's really sad to see how much of a money-making business magic has become. I never attacked Spidey in my review but the fact that he constantly exposes magic and mentalism on his youtube channel is quite disturbing. Magicians like Spidey and Lloyd Barnes should be ashamed of themselves the way they "sell magic cheap" on youtube for clicks and subs. They want to say that they are only exposing their own magic but the effects they teach use techniques/principles that are not theirs. I'm SHOCKED that the magic community here welcomes them open armed and accepts these shenanigans.
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On Aug 10, 2022, joemcdull wrote:
Since Mr Svenpad, who claim the ownership of Svengali Principle after OZ's TV success and overbearingly call other force pad "cheap knock off", decided to go for personal attack route, here is a quote from penny talking about internet killing mentalism

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2. We, as a community, need to STOP supporting the exposers, especially the YouTube exposers. If you see someone who does this, such as Spidey or Scam Nation or any of the YouTube sell outs don't support the conventions they are at, don't buy stuff from them, let them know you don't agree with what they are doing.


This is common in magic. People make slight improvements on existing ideas and then want to cry ownership. We all know that the Svengali principle used in this way has been around forever and the excuse is "I credited them".

It's really sad to see how much of a money-making business magic has become. I never attacked Spidey in my review but the fact that he constantly exposes magic and mentalism on his youtube channel is quite disturbing. Magicians like Spidey and Lloyd Barnes should be ashamed of themselves the way they "sell magic cheap" on youtube for clicks and subs. They want to say that they are only exposing their own magic but the effects they teach use techniques/principles that are not theirs. I'm SHOCKED that the magic community here welcomes them open armed and accepts these shenanigans.


I'm not a fan of Lloyd Barnes marketing hype, and don't know how often he performs or is soley a creator but Spidey performs regularly, is a hell of a nice guy, and has contributed a ton to the community over the years and has earned his place. From what I understand you don't perform aside from for friends and family and co-workers correct? You are a hobbiest who buys magic simply to review on your youtube show? You've got a lot to say about the pros.
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Spidey is an amazing performer, thinker and teacher. This is one of the best penguin lectures I have ever watched. It is full of audience tested WORKER material. If you want to leave an impact with your audience, this material will definitely do that! The material is easy to perform, well thought out, highly deceptive and extremely entertaining. The effects taught in the lecture is worth the price of the lecture alone BUT IT DOESN’T STOP THERE!! Within each if the effects are subtleties, utilities and brilliant thinking which you can carry throughout all of your Mentalism & Magic. To me, that is the most invaluable aspects of a lecture. BUT IT DOESN’T STOP THERE!!!!

Spidey teaches an absolutely incredible and amazing approach to cold reading. You want to perform strong Mentalism? Add cold reading to your revelations, and performances. This is not just barnum statements rehashed. This is a cold reading masterclass which will change the way you perform readings. You will gain tons of credibility because your material will be emotionally relevant. The value in this lecture is far beyond the price tag. Pick this up and you will not be dissatisfied. You will sincerely be happy!! I love it!

Great work Spidey!!!
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Since Mr Svenpad, who claim the ownership of Svengali Principle after OZ's TV success and overbearingly call other force pad "cheap knock off", decided to go for personal attack route, here is a quote from penny talking about internet killing mentalism

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2. We, as a community, need to STOP supporting the exposers, especially the YouTube exposers. If you see someone who does this, such as Spidey or Scam Nation or any of the YouTube sell outs don't support the conventions they are at, don't buy stuff from them, let them know you don't agree with what they are doing.


This is common in magic. People make slight improvements on existing ideas and then want to cry ownership. We all know that the Svengali principle used in this way has been around forever and the excuse is "I credited them".

It's really sad to see how much of a money-making business magic has become. I never attacked Spidey in my review but the fact that he constantly exposes magic and mentalism on his youtube channel is quite disturbing. Magicians like Spidey and Lloyd Barnes should be ashamed of themselves the way they "sell magic cheap" on youtube for clicks and subs. They want to say that they are only exposing their own magic but the effects they teach use techniques/principles that are not theirs. I'm SHOCKED that the magic community here welcomes them open armed and accepts these shenanigans.


I'm not a fan of Lloyd Barnes marketing hype, and don't know how often he performs or is soley a creator but Spidey performs regularly, is a hell of a nice guy, and has contributed a ton to the community over the years and has earned his place. From what I understand you don't perform aside from for friends and family and co-workers correct? You are a hobbiest who buys magic simply to review on your youtube show? You've got a lot to say about the pros.



Wow!! Are you trying to suggest that just because someone is not PAID for performing that they should be disregarded?? LOL. Sorry but you can't belittle me just because I am not a paid performer. What should matter is the knowledge and experience a person brings to the table. To answer your question - NO! I buy magic to perform. I only review magic to try to bring a small amount of honesty to the magic community where it is sorely lacking. I can easily stop making magic reviews. I do them because I could never find honest, open reviews on youtube.


YES, I have plenty to say about people who are exposing magic on youtube for personal gain. It's sad and weak. You all know it is. How can you be ok with it?


So, you are suggesting that it is OK and acceptable for Spidey to expose magic to the general public on youtube because he is "a hell of a nice guy"??
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On Aug 10, 2022, joemcdull wrote:
Since Mr Svenpad, who claim the ownership of Svengali Principle after OZ's TV success and overbearingly call other force pad "cheap knock off", decided to go for personal attack route, here is a quote from penny talking about internet killing mentalism

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2. We, as a community, need to STOP supporting the exposers, especially the YouTube exposers. If you see someone who does this, such as Spidey or Scam Nation or any of the YouTube sell outs don't support the conventions they are at, don't buy stuff from them, let them know you don't agree with what they are doing.


This is common in magic. People make slight improvements on existing ideas and then want to cry ownership. We all know that the Svengali principle used in this way has been around forever and the excuse is "I credited them".

It's really sad to see how much of a money-making business magic has become. I never attacked Spidey in my review but the fact that he constantly exposes magic and mentalism on his youtube channel is quite disturbing. Magicians like Spidey and Lloyd Barnes should be ashamed of themselves the way they "sell magic cheap" on youtube for clicks and subs. They want to say that they are only exposing their own magic but the effects they teach use techniques/principles that are not theirs. I'm SHOCKED that the magic community here welcomes them open armed and accepts these shenanigans.


I'm not a fan of Lloyd Barnes marketing hype, and don't know how often he performs or is soley a creator but Spidey performs regularly, is a hell of a nice guy, and has contributed a ton to the community over the years and has earned his place. From what I understand you don't perform aside from for friends and family and co-workers correct? You are a hobbiest who buys magic simply to review on your youtube show? You've got a lot to say about the pros.



Wow!! Are you trying to suggest that just because someone is not PAID for performing that they should be disregarded?? LOL. Sorry but you can't belittle me just because I am not a paid performer. What should matter is the knowledge and experience a person brings to the table. To answer your question - NO! I buy magic to perform. I only review magic to try to bring a small amount of honesty to the magic community where it is sorely lacking. I can easily stop making magic reviews. I do them because I could never find honest, open reviews on youtube.


YES, I have plenty to say about people who are exposing magic on youtube for personal gain. It's sad and weak. You all know it is. How can you be ok with it?


So, you are suggesting that it is OK and acceptable for Spidey to expose magic to the general public on youtube because he is "a hell of a nice guy"??



No, I'm suggesting that your opinion doesn't hold much water when you admittedly don't perform on stage or for paying clients and yet still feel like you can talk **** about those who actually do and call them "sell outs". I haven't seen Spidey expose anything on his youtube channel that he hasn't created. If he has exposed someones work without permission to do so then I agree that's not kosher. But, you definitely aren't "Unbiased" and seem to enjoy belittling and insulting those who actually perform and think your opinion holds the same weight as someone who really does this.
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I have posted real-world performances of my own on my youtube channel in my reviews. I have nothing to prove to you but your argument is funny. You don't have to be a stage performer to perform Maven's Desire with 5 people or any other myriad of mental effects that traditionally are done on stage.

Sorry to disappoint you but I am not an unboxer who doesn't perform the magic I review. Those folks get magic sent to them for free to advertise from big magic companies. You know because their review videos say, "Review Copy Provided By penguinmagic" You must be confusing me with some of the more popular youtube magic review channels who are chumming out reviews every day.

Sad to hear that you support magic exposure on youtube.

You should check out one of Spidey's latest videos on his youtube channel - (Amazing Card Trick With Ordinary/ Borrowed Cards! Learn now! Easy and Impromptu Card Mentalism) - He apologizes for openly exposing and teaching Marc DeSouza's material several months ago. So yeah, He is also teaching other people's material.

The person who is "Biased" and blind to what is going on here is YOU. Too bad you can't see what is right in front of your face.
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No, I'm suggesting that your opinion doesn't hold much water when you admittedly don't perform on stage or for paying clients and yet still feel like you can talk **** about those who actually do and call them "sell outs". I haven't seen Spidey expose anything on his youtube channel that he hasn't created. If he has exposed someones work without permission to do so then I agree that's not kosher. But, you definitely aren't "Unbiased" and seem to enjoy belittling and insulting those who actually perform and think your opinion holds the same weight as someone who really does this.


1. the sell out line come from another well respected REAL WORLD PROFESSIONAL, not from UMR
2. https://youtu.be/YkRemALLhVg?t=435 Spidey Obviously did not created Center Tear
3. If anyone support online magic expose, their opinion should holds NO WEIGHT
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Not totally related, here is another "sell outs" Chris Ramsey openly expose the Joe proper strong box
https://youtube.com/shorts/1oncDLvEaGs?feature=share

And this is a collaboration of two YouTube sell outs
https://youtu.be/G_elFjR9LlI
Did he invented a billet switch? billet peek? Or a cut deeper force? I guess adding some fire burning can claim your originality.
Just like that Sven Pad guy, making the Svengali cut smaller can claim your originality.
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Thank you for reminding me why I took a long leave of absence from this place.
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Knowing what Nasty thing the Svenpad(R) guy had done, no wonder he would have collusion with YouTube sellout, and attack a genuine magic reviewer when he give an honest review
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Spidey is an amazing performer, thinker and teacher. This is one of the best penguin lectures I have ever watched. It is full of audience tested WORKER material. If you want to leave an impact with your audience, this material will definitely do that! The material is easy to perform, well thought out, highly deceptive and extremely entertaining. The effects taught in the lecture is worth the price of the lecture alone BUT IT DOESN’T STOP THERE!! Within each if the effects are subtleties, utilities and brilliant thinking which you can carry throughout all of your Mentalism & Magic. To me, that is the most invaluable aspects of a lecture. BUT IT DOESN’T STOP THERE!!!!

Spidey teaches an absolutely incredible and amazing approach to cold reading. You want to perform strong Mentalism? Add cold reading to your revelations, and performances. This is not just barnum statements rehashed. This is a cold reading masterclass which will change the way you perform readings. You will gain tons of credibility because your material will be emotionally relevant. The value in this lecture is far beyond the price tag. Pick this up and you will not be dissatisfied. You will sincerely be happy!! I love it!

Great work Spidey!!!


Well said, Kevin! I agree with you 100% This was a FANTASTIC lecture, one worth many times the cost.

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This is a great lecture as many have already noted. I use to get excited by a clever method but now realise it is the effect that matters. So much material here for the average magician. To compare Rhines Revenge ( a good method ) to Spideys ESP Match is just embarrassing.


Great lecture, indeed. Spidey's effects are workers of real value to anyone interested in learning.

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No, I'm suggesting that your opinion doesn't hold much water when you admittedly don't perform on stage or for paying clients and yet still feel like you can talk **** about those who actually do and call them "sell outs". I haven't seen Spidey expose anything on his youtube channel that he hasn't created. If he has exposed someones work without permission to do so then I agree that's not kosher. But, you definitely aren't "Unbiased" and seem to enjoy belittling and insulting those who actually perform and think your opinion holds the same weight as someone who really does this.


Well said. He's definitely operating from some unconscious bias, and very clearly in the small minority of people who purchased this lecture.

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... I haven't seen Spidey expose anything on his youtube channel that he hasn't created.

Spidey has definitely exposed the works of others, without permission. If Chaz93 hasn't seen this, it's because he hasn't been looking (which might have been a good idea prior to suggesting that another is misrepresenting something).

But even if the ideas had been his (and they demonstrably aren't), what he does still constitutes exposure. Now different people respond to such activity in different ways, but I personally feel that it shows disdain for mentalism, and I do not support those who do so, no matter how clever their ideas might be. I have too much respect for my art.
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I haven't seen Spidey expose anything on his youtube channel that he hasn't created.


This tells me your knowledge is limited! I like Spidey as a person, but 90% of what I see him do I knew many years ago!! Maybe he just changed a little, but new??? No! Don't say he created everything he reveals.

Revealing is not good for magic, and good for the money, followers, subscribers, and views...

Many young people that have not read the classic books or studied a lot, that see these effects for the first time all think the effects are new, and even worse: that the performer is the inventor, but sorry... he's NOT!



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If he has exposed someones work without permission to do so then I agree that's not kosher. But, you definitely aren't "Unbiased" and seem to enjoy belittling and insulting those who actually perform and think your opinion holds the same weight as someone who really does this.


I know many performers that have just a few effects and use them many years. They perform day in and out and have no interest in learning new stuff. They perfect their presentation and acting skills and most of the time they are the BEST in what they do!!!

Others read a book every 2 weeks and buy many new magic effects and really like to study them and learn them inside out. These people have amazing knowledge, performing or not performing has nothing to do with being able to give an honest review! Especially when they are FREE to say what they want.




Many reviews are based, 'magicians helping magicians' can go many ways...

and exposure on YouTube is not good for magic, period. It's sneaky.

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Thanks for mr Doug Dyment and dr Eamon aka John Dream came in and share their view.
I was surprised so many people even well know in the magic industry support online magic exposure. if Bob Cassidy is alive, I believe he would have come in and give his voice on online magic exposure.

For those who think $40 is "well spent" for this Penguin Live Lecture, you MUST buy the $60 Hardbound book Calculated Thoughts from Doug Dyment, it is well research material that mr Doug Dyment had been doing over the year if not decade. You can learn 5 penguin live worth of material from it. It almost fell like I am robbing the author himself for paying such low price for a collectable hardbound book.

For those who think adding the number on force page "Took the mentalism world by storm", you should experience "Armageddon of mentalism" by reading dr Eamon's eXtreme SVENPAD Supreme eBook, you can see the true passion reading along the line of this book, having so many variation and clever Subtleties on one simple gimmick.
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