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Flawless New user Germany 60 Posts |
Hey guys, let's discuss the newest release by The 1914, "Star Map".
Description: "Imagine being able to sense the star sign of a complete stranger. Star Map gives you this apparent ability without requiring ANY physical props. Best of all, it's completely impromptu meaning you'll always have the perfect ice breaker for any occasion. Many mentalists claim their first effect is to "establish a connection" with their participant. Star Map is perfect for this because a connection really IS being established; both physically and on a deeper, emotional level. Here's what happens: Your spectator holds their hand against yours and you begin a visualisation exercise. Together you imagine the constellations of the night sky orbiting around you. As the stars come into focus, you are able to look your spectator in the eye and tell them exactly what their star sign is. In theory, propless mentalism is the holy grail of the art. But in reality, the effects often rely on difficult-to-follow instructions with a high risk of failure. Star Map avoids these propless pitfalls; it's very EASY for your spectator to follow and success is as good as guaranteed. There are no anagrams, no mathematics and no dual reality; just solid, propless, hard-hitting mentalism. Get instant access exclusively at The 1914 and begin creating cosmic connections today." |
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scott0819 Inner circle Toronto, Ont. 1040 Posts |
I have three questions about this, hoping someone can answer:
1. How long does the Star Map process take? Anagrams are not for everyone but they allow you to get to the star sign very quickly. How does this compare? 2. Is the participant aware that you are narrowing down the possible signs during the process; such as eliminating signs by seasons or star sign elements? 3. Is Star Map an exclusive product available only from The 1914 or will other suppliers carry it? Thanks |
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Derotanim Regular user UK 126 Posts |
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On Aug 5, 2022, scott0819 wrote: Got this last night, haven't had a chance to perform it yet. But I think I can give your questions a shot (I like this quite a bit). 1. Honestly it's pretty fast. If you dial back the presentation to a minimum, this would be about as fast as an anagram (maybe the tiniest bit faster). I prefer this to an anagram because it doesn't seem like you're calling out letters the whole way through. 2. You never actively mention seasons or elements during the performance (though they may come in handy, and are explained in the tutorial, to remember the method) – it's hard to say what a spectator is or isn't aware of, but in the context of Lewis' routine (i.e.: as an opener to build a connection, which I personally think is great) I think any process flies by pretty smoothly. 3. Not sure about this, but my suspicion is that it's an exclusive. Cheers |
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PatrickGregoire Inner circle 2239 Posts |
Also just got this and went through it (thanks for letting us know about it Flawless!). I love the mnemonics Lewis shares to remember which signs fall into which Seasons.
You'll memorize the system within an hour (I had it down as he was explaining it, it's really easy to remember) but to remember the whole structure of the performance without hesitating or having to think too much, it might take a few performances. I like this, it feels real (because it basically is real - like Lewis says in the trailer, the presentation is the method), but I'm also unsure of how powerful this is as you're basically directly fishing for info in various ways throughout. It's super quick though, and I like it. I'll definitely test this out and if I don't end up liking it, I love that I got to learn how to memorize some info about star signs as that always felt very confusing to me. I wish there were more live performances, you only get 1 (plus a couple of practice ones with Dee) but in the 1 with a layman, he doesn't even follow the structure at the end - he goes rogue and takes a random guess at the final sign. So I still have never seen how it actually plays when following the actual system. |
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LewisLeVal Regular user 131 Posts |
Hey guys, I hope you're all doing well!
scott0819, to answer your questions I'm basically saying the same as Derotanim, with the presentation dialled down you'll be revealing their sign in under 30 seconds! In regards to them knowing if anything is being narrowed down, I've never experienced that. When putting this routine together, it was important for me that they would be unaware of any narrowing. It all happens in two quick steps; a physical action such as raising their hand, holding an object, etc, and them answering a yes or no question. After that you're ready to move into the reveal. In the past when I've used PA's, I've had spectators say "process of elimination" or begin thinking about the letters or signs I've thrown out, whereas with Star Map, not enough is said out loud for them to begin trying to deduce what happened. Without knowing the Star Map 'map' itself, it can be very difficult to piece together. Lastly, this is a 1914 exclusive Thank you too Derotanim! Hi PatrickGregoire, I'm glad you like Star Map and the memory aids I included! You're right too, it will take a couple of performances to get used to it, but once it all sinks in you'll be able to jump into it at any time with very little thought and zero hesitation! We do have more live performance footage, we basically took a camera and a microphone out onto the streets and I approached people by jumping right in to Star Map. When we reviewed the footage I chose my favourite one to include in the download. If you'd like to see another, this week when the guys are back in the office I will ask them to drop some more footage into all 1914 accounts that have purchased Star Map Regarding the structure in the live performance you saw (for anyone who hasn't seen it, part of this performance can be seen in the trailer, it's the one of the guy with the moustache outside the Café) it wasn't random at the end. At that point, via the Star Map method, I had two things I could have said. One is more favourable than the other, but I accidentally came out with the less favourable, which hit instantly. Had I have said the more favourable, I'd have still hit instantly. At that point I couldn't lose and if you end up in the same situation that I did, you're bulletproof at that point! The only reason why a full performance cannot be seen in the trailer is because this is a completely propless effect, it's conversational. The presentation is the method, and we also show a quick clip of the Star Map itself in the trailer, so to preserve the methods of our craft we didn't include a full performance. Most (hopefully all) of the people watching our trailers are mentalists, we have knowledge of things that laypeople do not, and whilst I firmly believe that the method is not obvious (if it was I simply wouldn't bother putting it out), it made more sense to keep this little gem on the safe side of anything that goes out publicly, such as the trailer and ad copy. I hope that helps and I will stick around on this thread to answer any more questions. Cheers guys! |
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SimonTheSorcerer Loyal user 287 Posts |
Is this language independent or does is only work in English?
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nique Special user Singapore 940 Posts |
Hi guys,
I chat about Star Map here; if anything I hope it helps just a little. ~ Nique
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helder Inner circle Portugal 1065 Posts |
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On Aug 7, 2022, nique wrote: That was funny and you are right about the voice. He could be teaching us how to cook and we would still pay attention. Another nice product from him. I bought it.
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helder Inner circle Portugal 1065 Posts |
I honestly prefer this method to RAISE. It makes much more sense to me.
For those of you familiar with Colin Mcleod's Zen Peek routine, here is an excellent method. Even if you don't want to do the routine as Lewis teaches it the video is worth it for the information on how to memorize the signs and the different seasons they belong to. I just really wish I could see some more videos of performances. I wasn't left with any doubts but seeing several performances makes it more complete. If I had to put a flaw in it, that would be it.
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helder Inner circle Portugal 1065 Posts |
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On Aug 7, 2022, SimonTheSorcerer wrote: Works very well in Portuguese, even better than in English I think, which rarely happens. But I don't think language will be a problem.
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Andrew Sway Loyal user ------- 255 Posts |
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On Aug 7, 2022, SimonTheSorcerer wrote: Will this method work in German? |
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Derotanim Regular user UK 126 Posts |
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On Aug 7, 2022, Andrew Sway wrote: It's not really language dependent at all - method is obviously taught in English, and for the most part can be directly adapted to another language (though the final portion of the performance will need to be adjusted accordingly) |
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scott0819 Inner circle Toronto, Ont. 1040 Posts |
Thanks for your answers, Lewis. I actually picked up Star Map a couple days ago and like it very much. It is just as quick as a PA and quite a lovely process having them visualize stars/constellations. A definite advantage here is that the participant doesn’t need to mentally spell their sign in their head; at most they need to think of the first or last letter in the sign.
I do think the first physical action might be backtracked by a participant afterwards as it does narrow the signs significantly. |
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scott0819 Inner circle Toronto, Ont. 1040 Posts |
As for language dependency, it works very nicely in English but the Star Map can easily be reconfigured/reshuffled to make it just as workable in other languages. Majority of the method does not depend on words/letters.
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Flawless New user Germany 60 Posts |
I really love Star Map, feels much more organic than a PA because the process is built into the presentation. And it's very easy for the spectator to follow.
In English it's perfect, in other languages - I'm German - you might have to use other methods to end smoothly. I'm personally combining it with CUP's and with Zodiac by Chester Sass and I've now finally got a propless german star sign divination that I'm happy with. Excited to see how it plays out in practise. Highly recommended, thanks for sharing Star Map with us Lewis! |
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Ringo Loyal user 287 Posts |
When combined with Alain Nu's 'Zodiattack' principle, you don't need any language at all.
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UnbiasedMagicReviews Veteran user 338 Posts |
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LewisLeVal Regular user 131 Posts |
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On Aug 14, 2022, UnbiasedMagicReviews wrote: Thanks for your review! I left a comment on YouTube in response just to clarify some of the points that you didn't quite understand, I'll paste my comment here too as I left it: "Hey man, thank you for the review! I always enjoy watching your videos and I appreciate your thoughts on my releases I would just like to clear up a few things as it seems that you have missed the point of some of the aspects of this routine. - Star Map can be performed in 30 seconds if needed. There’s no reason it should take 2 minutes unless you wanted it to. Even the live performance in the download is just over a minute and that’s with the full presentation. - You don’t need any knowledge of the months that the signs fall under. - The overlapping sign (only one of two) used in performances is actually a massive help, which can lead to an INSTANT reveal in some cases! - It requires less thought from the participant than a PA does. - If the performer needs a moment to think, that’s justified in the presentation. - During the process, you ask them a yes or no question before you’re ready to move into the reveal. You never ask them directly about their sign until you’re ready to reveal. There isn’t as much questioning as your review makes it seem. - Once you’re familiar with the star map itself, there is just one script that you use in every performance. You can say the same thing every time and it’ll still work, only changing slightly when it comes down to the reveal. - There is some memory work but no more than learning any new routine, and the memory aid I provide means you’ll have it down in under an hour. - You CAN eliminate the hand-to-hand contact (it’s an important report building step and breaks the contact barrier which is valuable if intimate, deeper and more meaningful mentalism is your thing) and Star Map can be performed from across the room with no physical contact. It’s perfect to end a which hand routine with or to use with a spectator who is holding a billet before you reveal everything. - The fishing with the letters is NOT an anagram and you’re only ever talking about the last letter or the first letter of their sign, not random ones from within the sign. Star Map will always use less letters than a PA; with a PA you could end up throwing out up to 5 letters sometimes, but Star Map will never be more than 2 and a lot of the time, only 1, before you immediately reveal. I do love PA’s, but I no longer have a reason to use them as Star Map makes far more sense from a presentational point (for me personally). Also, PA’s mean your spectator can call out “process of elimination” and they’d be kinda right, they cannot do that with Star Map. Also with a PA, when it comes to finding the letters you’re calling out, spectators can trip up making you MISS, and then if calling out animals or symbols, people don’t even know them and it makes even less sense. With Star Map there’s no risk of any of that." If the review had negative points, that's absolutely fine and I appreciate all feedback, but in this case many of your points were off the mark regarding your understanding of the routine. Thank you again for your time |
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mike donoghue Inner circle 1295 Posts |
Got this on Friday & attempted to watch it on Saturday but couldn’t log into my account.
Contacted 1914 & they sorted my problem very quickly . Got to say in an age where poor service is the norm , these guys release exceptional products, teaching, & after sales service. Lewis Le Val & 1914 are fantastic. Love this effect as well . |
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UnbiasedMagicReviews Veteran user 338 Posts |
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On Aug 14, 2022, LewisLeVal wrote: Not here to argue with you but want to at least clarify these points: 1. Yes - You can eliminate the contact of the hands but you still have the spectator doing something with one their hands and if you eliminate the contact aspect then what is the justification of even having them raise either hand? 2. There are still 4 steps in the process to perform your effect (unless you get an instant hit on an overlapping sign which is not going to happen all the time). The process is much more lengthy than a PA. 3. You DO ask them directly about their star sign. I don't like revealing things but you make it seem like you are not asking them about their sign and you are indeed asking them if you have named their sign. (even if the question requires a yes or no answer). If that doesn't sound like process of elimination, I don't know what does. 4. There is a large amount of memory work when you compare this to the PAs that exist. You have to memorize four groups of star signs and keep that straight in your head along with understanding which signs are in the beginning and end of the year. When you get to the letter aspect you also have to remember which letter to ask based on which group (beginning/end and the letter). This may seem easy for you but this will not be the case for a lot of people. I doubt anyone could learn this in under an hour and be able to confidently perform it as you suggest. 5. Asking the spectator directly if a letter is in their star sign is exactly the same as performing a PA in my mind. You are virtually doing the same thing. I rarely end up calling out more than 3 letters whenever I perform and even if you did have to call out more letters - why would this be a problem? You are supposedly trying to visualize the letters that make up their star sign as you read their mind. Spectators can also trip up making you miss in your routine when you call out a letter near the end too. Ultimately, People need to decide for themselves what they are comfortable with and what they want to perform. There is a distinct reason why you didn't advertise a full uncut performance of the effect. I just tried to present a fair and honest magic review to help people decide if this routine is something they would want to pick up. As someone who has performed a PA star sign divination for years, I can tell you that 99% of people know their own star sign, how to spell it, and the image that is associated with it. Once in a while I have run into someone who is not sure of the image but since I am between one of two signs, it's simple to tease it out. Finally, I wanted to say that your handling of the Star Map looks awesome in your hands. I wonder how many people could perform it as well as you do!
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