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phantomace Special user 651 Posts |
Is it just me or are you sick of seeing a plethera of cutting DVDs with basically the same moves (minus changing a finger position or packet). I mean come on! How many sybil cuts or cuts that look near identical with different names does one person need?
To name a few: Pasteboard animations (the worst out) Tudor gen X (next to the worst out) Tudor show off #1 (not too bad) Tudor show off #2 (decent) Cap Casino (HURL!) Keone Xtreme Cuts (mmmm NO comment) They mostly use sybil cuts for the majority of their moves and for the most part, the DVDs are ALL CUTS! If one more comes CUT DVD comes out I'm going to puke! Phantom |
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S.Segal Special user San Diego 949 Posts |
Aren't those really the only (mainstream ) DVD's out? That really sucks for you though... there will always be more "cut" DVDs and you are gonna be puking a lot... Make sure you buy extra tooth paste... You may need it.
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Stimuli New user 54 Posts |
I have all the before mentioned vids and I have to say that It's not cut videos that I'm sick of It's the lack of new ideas. Caps does make me sick, Tudors first 2 show off vids are good and Gen x's moves are good but the teaching sucks I don't hate pastboard Anime at all and even though the teaching on the Keone dvd is good all of the cuts suck so what's the point in learning them (no offense to Keone but there is a lack of creativity with the cuts)
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phantomace Special user 651 Posts |
You are right, lack of ideas and originality on most of the above videos is sickning. Like the million double lift videos, or pass videos.
I can deal with some original and new cuts but the sybil cut videos that everyone and their mothers unborn childs sons are doing and constantly modifying are getting on my nerves. Phantom |
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PasteboardPlayer New user 70 Posts |
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On 2004-07-01 18:34, phantomace wrote: Can't dispute you there... In fact, here is a quote from your recent Keone "Extreme Cuts" DVD review: Quote:
On 2004-07-01 02:06, phantomace wrote: I don't want to diss the guy... He probably does have great chops. But I think his DVD is a perfect example of the unoriginality you are talking about. Quote:
On 2004-07-01 18:34, phantomace wrote: Well Phantom... you have a choice... I don't think anyone is forcing you to watch these "unborn childs" DVD's. So, if I may suggest, don't watch them.... |
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Fu Manchu New user 25 Posts |
I bought Showoff II and watched it once, it's just rotting on my bedroom floor now...
I want new fresh things from The Flourishman & De'vo... |
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Lonnie Dilan Special user Canyon Country, California 823 Posts |
My dvd is gonna be sick!!
There will be flourishes and magic. It's the future!! |
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phantomace Special user 651 Posts |
Yep, Keones video was a rehash for sure, but was 20 times better than the WORST cut Video ever made - The bucks pasteboard animations! The Bucks are Tudor rehash+bad explainations, bad quality, +bad performances. They both were not that good, but the bucks was the worst! Rumor is - that Pasteboard animations is getting the Superhandz award for the worst wanna be flourish material ever produced.
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in flames Inner circle Toronto 1030 Posts |
Are you saying Keones dvd is better than "show Off 1&2"?
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phantomace Special user 651 Posts |
No, I'm saying Keone's DVD is WAY better than the Bucks pasteboard animations. My oppinion is out of all the cut videos, tudor's is the best, even though that isn't saying a whole lot. Gen-X teaching made me suicidal. Show off 1&2 rules the this catagory - even though the teaching was not on. But I would say that all the other cut DVDs are Tudor re-hashes. That should of been the title of the thread. "No more Tudor REHASHES"LOL
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Christian Z. Regular user Seattle, WA 126 Posts |
Man you started this post to dawg on the Buck Twins. I mean after all they are the next flourishers to be coming out with a DVD correct? YOu dawging on everybody man and I have to say that I would've taken Pasteboard over Keone's cuz Keone's stuff wasn't all that great. Plus Pasteboard wasn't even supposed to be THE BEST thing out there, if ya'll paid attention it was just to get some attention for what was coming up next. And what's coming next is probably one of the best flourish dvd's out, THE DAN AND DAVE SYSTEM. I saw some of the stuff and it is defenitely original and stuff that I was blown away by. Now I'm not saying that it's going to be way better than De'Vo's stuff because I like De'Vo's stuff also but I think the Buck Twins new DVD will probably on of the best dvd's in the flourish world. To ad on about De'Vo and the Bucks, STOP MIXING THE TWO TOGETHER. If some people could take a second and think that Dan and Dave are two different flourishers than De'VO. One is all about the cuts and the other is the all around, don't mix it up.
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in flames Inner circle Toronto 1030 Posts |
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On 2004-07-01 21:35, phantomace wrote: I know what your saying but its going to happen. its like someone saying no more "Ambitious Card" dvds or know more double lift dvds. |
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phantomace Special user 651 Posts |
Thank you, someone figured it out.
Yes, you are exactly right! There will be more Tudor re-hashes no matter how much I complain.lol More ambitious card DVDs, more double lift DVDs and on and on. There always has to be people that take other people's material and redo it, rename it, and try to make a buck(lol) off it. That's just how some people are. But as long as that happens, they will have me screaming all the way.lol Hopefully some people will listen, make a change, and put out more original material making this world a better place. But I think we all know what's really going to happen - part2, part3, part4, part5, rename, rename, rename, rename and all that will be left is a million posts by me and the other artists that like original material complaining.LOL, LMAO, but what the heck, that works for me.lol Could someone at least add a girl to the finger position? Lonnie, you hear me? I know you can hook that up playa! P.S. Lonnie, where is your kutkiddie video you promised, the sybil one? Phantom |
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Lonnie Dilan Special user Canyon Country, California 823 Posts |
Which kutkiddie video?
I have so many spoofs sitting on my shelfs, but I don't have time to edit them all. pm me and let me know the details. |
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Shibaz New user 9 Posts |
The buck twins are the ish.
They are actually kids with a *personality* AND skill. I've never seen any other magicians doing burnouts in their Audi TT. I can't wait to get their DVD, not only for the flourishing content, but I'm sure their extras will be hilarious. The small bonus footage in Syd's GCM cracked me up. |
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sc_wizard29 Regular user 125 Posts |
> Is it just me or are you sick of seeing a plethera
> of cutting DVDs with basically the same moves Your only criteria when you compare these videos seems to be the originality of the moves (Am I wrong ?) Personnally, I see other criteria that I think are very important : - the release date - the teaching - the "professional look" of the video - etc... For example, you say that "pasteboard animation" is the worst video... but you forgot to mention that it was ALSO one of the first flourish videos on the market. You also don't seem to like Keone's DVD, but according to the review I've read, the teaching is pretty good. By the way : your comment on this DVD is "mmmm NO comment". Where'n you the one who said that this DVD was awesome and was way better than most other flourish DVD ? Did you change your mind ??? I my opinion, every single one of the videos you mention has something interesting inside depending on your background and current level. |
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rudess New user 89 Posts |
I like Keone's X-treme cuts.
Very Good teaching. Jung-Shun |
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Stimuli New user 54 Posts |
Very good teaching of cuts more advanced flourishers don't want to learn. All of the cuts lack any larger than life feel, they are all bland with nothing that really jumps out at ya. It might be an alright choice for the very beginner of beginners but still I think Tudor's Showoff series or the Buck's new DVD are better choices.
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reasons14 Regular user 109 Posts |
The cobra cuts will be out soon, that will be a breath of fresh air.
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trickster2000 Loyal user Toronto 284 Posts |
As much as we don't want to see anymore, it will keep coming because there is a market for it... no matter how crappy a dvd is wether its a cut, flourish or juggling dvd, as long as theres someone that's willing to buy it, there will be people releasing it... its just the laws of supply and demand...
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