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karld New user 37 Posts 
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Hi.
What is the best control for you *under the following 7 conditions*: • It must be very misleading • Not involving a cut (I find putting a card in the middle of the deck and then cutting doesn't make sense). • Do not require a table • Do not look like a flourish or complicated movements (in this case the public may not understand the manipulation but they feel that something has happened) • Do not require “missdirection” • Do not have too bad angles (I see a lot of good manipulations that are very impractical because of the side angles • Be relatively easy to execute Thank you, Regards, Karl |
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Einmaliger Regular user Germany 200 Posts
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Depends on how you want the card to be selected, what you want to do with it after the control, and how you want the whole process to look.
Here are some that I like that do not involve any shuffling: Convincing Control and many of its variations. The Invisible Pass lets you put the selection face up in a face up spread and control it while turning over the deck. Lee Asher's Losing Control is very easy to do and basically does not seem to involve any movement at all. You just assemble the deck and it's done. |
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Ray J Inner circle St. Louis, MO 1504 Posts
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The initial condition, "It must be very misleading", is open to interpretation in my opinion. Surely, a lot of controls mislead the spectator to believe a card is their selection when it isn't. But what about one of my favorite controls, the Side Steal? I guess you are misleading the spectator to believe their card is in the center of the pack, but I don't know that that is what the OP meant by misleading.
It's never crowded on the extra mile....
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Wravyn Inner circle 3692 Posts
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Let us turn the question around on you. Re read your OP and share yours with us so you can better define your parameters.
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disgruntledpuffin Special user i have nothing to say about my 529 Posts
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Jack McMillen used to take the card back, place it on top and Jog Shuffle. Good then, good now.
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Ray J Inner circle St. Louis, MO 1504 Posts
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On Oct 4, 2022, disgruntledpuffin wrote: Seems to meet all of the criteria. The OP said no cutting after the return, but didn't indicate shuffling was off limits. Harry Lorayne is also one who would champion the jog shuffle. Easy, casual and surefire while being angle-proof, what's not to like?
It's never crowded on the extra mile....
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Mb217 Inner circle 9616 Posts
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First, welcome to the Café…
I find the use of a Side Steal is a great way to control a card to the top. It’s pretty simple but deceptive and meets most of your criteria here. I use it quite often and it never fails.
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karld New user 37 Posts
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In fact, there is 3 conditions especially difficult :
-no need of missdirection -be relatively easy to execute - not having too bad angles there are a lot of very impressive, very deceptive controls. But the 3 aforementioned conditions eliminate a lot of controls. The "pass" for example. There are dozens of them. But most are very difficult to master. and this very often requires a "missdirection". Therefore, it does not meet the conditions mentioned above. The "Jerry Andrew Control" is incredibly deceptive. But it is not easy at all...and the angles are very bad... As far as I'm concerned, so far, I've retained the "cull"....or a simple control consisting of a "pinky break" is a mixture....or The "convincing control" (which is in fact a kind of cull). Lee Asher's "losing control"...I discovered it about 20 years ago in a lecture given by Lee Asher in Belgium where he presented his 'Handjob' lecture notes. 2/3 of the audience (including me) was completely amazed. And the remaining 1/3 were absolutely not convinced... W hat I also like: using the DL as a control. Simple and very convincing Quote:
On Oct 4, 2022, Ray J wrote: The “jog shuffle” seems acceptable to me, but not ideal. Why ? It reminds me of what Christian Chelman said about this method : "Choose a card, PUT it HERE and I'll shuffle"... It's not very natural. Why position a card HERE on the deck of cards in the hands of the magician ? If I could lose and recover a card I should be able to leave it in place, or lose it in a spread (using a cull). This may be acceptable…but it is not the most convincing control in my opinion |
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Mike Powers Inner circle Midwest 2989 Posts
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The Bluff Pass is a wonderful control. I'm not a big fan of the side steal. I think it draws attention to itself and has some angle issues as well. The Bluff Pass appears to be a very fair way of having the card returned "to the center" followed by simply tabling the deck. When done well with a little dribble after the move, it's a perfect control.
Convincing Control also has these qualities but positions the card on the bottom. Mike
Mike Powers
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Ray J Inner circle St. Louis, MO 1504 Posts
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On Oct 4, 2022, karld wrote: I agree with what you said about the Losing Control. I recently saw Lee perform and explain it on video and even in his hands it just didn't look like I remembered it. Maybe I'm "immune" to the psychology behind the move now. And I don't mean because I know how it is done, but because the actions are now transparent. There are many moves that even when you know them you see a good practitioner do them and you just go "wow!". Culling is something which any aspiring card magician should master. It is so versatile, capable of being used as a force, a control, separation of cards and much more. And it is angle-proof when the technique is good. You mention the DL as a control. That has been explored by many and is very effective. Check out Michael Close's MC Spread Double Lift in Workers 2.
It's never crowded on the extra mile....
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disgruntledpuffin Special user i have nothing to say about my 529 Posts
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These are my go to controls under most circumstances. I doubt the Scissor Shift as demonstrated fits your criteria due to the dribble, but the underlying mechanics can be applied to several other covering actions.
https://youtu.be/YY-aZNm4ubw |
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karld New user 37 Posts
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On Oct 4, 2022, disgruntledpuffin wrote: The dribble isn't a problem. But in fact, the scissor shift is a pass. And I thing there is a problem with different angles. Especially the right one |
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ssibal Veteran user 353 Posts
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The classic force meets this criteria.
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Wravyn Inner circle 3692 Posts
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On Oct 4, 2022, ssibal wrote: I too was thinking a card force but was not sure if it was considered as a control. |
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Kaliix Inner circle Connecticut 2050 Posts
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Crimp the card as it is being returned to the deck. You can then have them return it very fairly and have it under your control at will. See Clutch by Oz Pearlman.
The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge.
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Zauberman Veteran user 326 Posts
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The Tamiraz Perpendiculal Control TPC is well worth your time learning.
You can control the card to the bottom, top, or into your palm. Meets all the requirements plus. Once you get use to it and add it to your arsenal, it becomes almost indispensable for Ambitious, Card to Wallet, etc. It's my fave and 'best in real life', real working situations. |
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Fedora Special user Arizona, usa 822 Posts
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Use a stripper deck.
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vinsmagic Eternal Order sleeping with the fishes... 10993 Posts
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I ALWAYS USE THE GOFATHERS GIGGLE CONTROL TO VDRSIONS VERY DECEPTIVE
VINNY THE GODFATHER OF MAGIC https://youtu.be/jhOcTE4IteQ THE GIGGLE FORCE AND CONTROL |
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vinsmagic Eternal Order sleeping with the fishes... 10993 Posts
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HERE IS ANOTHER ONE THE GODFATHERS TOP GUN CONTROL AKA THE DRAUN SHIFT
https://youtu.be/VGFqrsE6Xfw |
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pabloinus Inner circle 1685 Posts
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Hi Vinny, I like the Top Gun better than the giggle one
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