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Daniel Ulzen
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Hello, some forcing card decks are half different cards and the other half identical cards. Is there a technical term for this deck? Thanks in advance!
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I've heard this referred to as a Blackstone(Sr.) forcing deck, but I'm not sure that is the "official" name.
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50/50 in the U.S.
Al Baker Force deck across the pond.
Daniel Ulzen
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David from the YouTube-Channel magicorthodoxy said in the video below: 'A Svengali Deck is also called a 50 50 Deck'. I thought '50 50 Deck' would be the name for a deck of cards which have the same length and were 50 cards are identical and 50 card are different. Is David correct and if so is there a special name just for a deck of cards which have the same length and were 50 cards are identical and 50 card are different? Thanx in advcance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLAxLSbrrGE
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On Jan 17, 2023, Daniel Ulzen wrote:
David from the YouTube-Channel magicorthodoxy said in the video below: 'A Svengali Deck is also called a 50 50 Deck'. I thought '50 50 Deck' would be the name for a deck of cards which have the same length and were 50 cards are identical and 50 card are different. Is David correct and if so is there a special name just for a deck of cards which have the same length and were 50 cards are identical and 50 card are different? Thanx in advcance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLAxLSbrrGE

A Svengali is not also known as a 50/50 deck; I have never seen it referenced as such.

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David is wrong. He also says a Sven is called a one way force deck in that video (which is also wrong). A one way force deck is a deck where all of the cards are the same. I agree with “the sponge” on this one.
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Thank you both. I had just wondered that another expert had claimed something different than written here and could not judge who was right. That is why I asked. But thanks again for the information!
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The Sponge is correct, however, to cut some slack to David, you can turn your Svengali into (technically) a 50/50 deck and get back into Svengali with a Faro, for example. A Svengali turned into a 50/50 deck is a very strong weapon: Simon Lovell in Simon Says! describes a Jim Zachary handling where both groups (long and shorts) are segregated which allows for very easy and deceiving overhand shuffling that completely fooled him. Whenever possible I always start with my Svengali in a 50/50 setup and then eventually faro it into a Svengali. Always fools lay people who know the Svengali deck.

By the way, in a video more recent than the one posted by the OP, David only calls the Svengali deck a 50/50 after he's separated long from shorts: https://youtu.be/GDrXDGweyjQ?t=372
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On Jan 17, 2023, Daniel Ulzen wrote:
David from the YouTube-Channel magicorthodoxy said in the video below: 'A Svengali Deck is also called a 50 50 Deck'. I thought '50 50 Deck' would be the name for a deck of cards which have the same length and were 50 cards are identical and 50 card are different. Is David correct and if so is there a special name just for a deck of cards which have the same length and were 50 cards are identical and 50 card are different? Thanx in advcance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLAxLSbrrGE


Hi Daniel
A 50/50 deck does not contain 50 cards (of anything) plus 50 more of something else. That would be a total of 100 cards. "50/50" refers to percentages. This is a common expression in English - but maybe not in German?
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Hi Nikodemus, sorry, of course the deck has not 100 cards. In Germany we say "Haelfte Haelfte" (half half) and some also say "fifty fifty", but as far as I know the numbers '50 50' are not used/common.
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