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Where can I get a S&S set that uses the 20 Centavos rather than the English Penny? Thanks, I have yet to learn all the gaff coin names.
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scotch-n-soda

that's a good source.

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Argg! I'm a mess. I meant to ask where to get a Centavos version of a quality Copper & Silver. Some store sites say that C&S allow you to do more than with Scotch & Soda; so, I would not mind paying more, but would like to stick with Mexican copper.
Can you also tell me if either or both lock? Thanks for being patient.
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You could get a scotch & soda dollar/centavo and put the C/S in the wrong way round. (Using the C/S without the ] would probably be too obvious as it's thinner). I would guess though that that's more expensive than finding a regular C/S...

Also, custom manufacturers like Todd Lassen would probably do it for you if you request it (and have the cash).
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A Copper & Silver coin (C/S) is simply a coin.. no need to lock as it is only one coin.

The S&S set does lock. It also has its own "built in" C/S coin (20-centavo & half-dollar). The S&S insert can double as a C/S coin.

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Thanks so much for clarifying this for me. Now I know which I to buy first.
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A non-locking version of Scotch and Soda would be Sun and Moon.
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RE: "Thanks so much for clarifying this for me. Now I know which I to buy first."

My pleasure. Good luck and have fun.


Alan,

The Sun & Moon set is in essence the opposite of scotch-n-soda. It's an English penny un-e], with a milled C/S insert that doesn't lock when the ] and insert are nested. It is typically used with one or more ungaffed half-dollars, which are not included with the set (unless you get a custom set from Todd).

The S&S is a half-dollar un-e] with milled C/S insert (20-centavo/half-dollar) that does lock when nested. And includes an ungaffed 20-centavo coin.

I'm in the middle of writing another manuscript that deals explicitly with the Sun & Moon set, and I would hesitate to call it a "non-locking version of S&S, as it differs from the S&S set in, honestly, almost every conceivable way.

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Mike,

I was referring to the construction of the gaff, not the routine it is used in. I use both gaffs in performances.
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On 2004-07-07 14:22, WildStone wrote:
A Copper & Silver coin (C/S) is simply a coin.. no need to lock as it is only one coin.

The S&S set does lock. It also has its own "built in" C/S coin (20-centavo & half-dollar). The S&S insert can double as a C/S coin.

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Mike


It would be very risky to use the insert of an S&S set as a C/S coin. Why? This is due to the nature of the insert. If you want a C/S coin with the S section of a smaller diameter than a normal coin, you would be okay; however, in the case of a standard S&S, you are using a 20 Cvo and a half dollar. A half dollar is a larger coin than a 20 Cvo. A savvy spectator will pick up on this fairly quickly.

I don't know of any normal C/S coin that uses a 20 Cvo coin. You would need to have this custom made. You would also need to find a silver or clad coin that is the same size as a 20 Cvo. You might be able to do this with a SBA dollar and a 20 Cvo.

One of the custom coin people might be willing to do this for you. Auke Van Dokkum makes beautiful gaffed coins -- at least as good as anything I have seen come out of the shops of Todd Lassen or the other fellows. Not to put down their work, by any means, but they seem to have a large backlog of work. Also Auke is very willing to experiment.

One thing to consider is that the 20 Cvo is an obsolete coin, as is the large English penny. The old English penny went out of circulation about 1970 or so. The 20 Cvo. went out of circulation in the late 1970's.
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RE: "I was referring to the construction of the gaff, not the routine it is used in. I use both gaffs in performances."

I've been playing around with using an old S&S set (doesn't lock any more) and the Sun & Moon set in a routine together. The neat thing about the old S&S set is that since it's worn out, the insert goes in and out freely, either side of the insert showing, which I think has intersting possibilities.

Bill,

I agree that using the S&S insert as a C/S coin has it's drawbacks, but I don't find the size (diameter) to be the problem. I find the thickness, or thinness as it were, can be a give-away sometimes. I use several sets that contain English pennies that are milled down to match an insert that fits into a half-dollar un-e] (Johnson Ultimate C/S and Magnetic C/S). The only "coin" that is the proper size is the ]. I do many routines that integrate a standard C/S and ungaffed halves with these sets, and in several years I have yet to have a spectator notice the size differential. Magicians notice right away, but non-magicians seem oblivious.

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Try doing it for someone who collects coins! They spot things most of us don't spot, right off the bat.

The size differential between the insert of an S&S and a milled down English penny is fairly radical. Where I would worry is the lack of a rim around the silver part of the insert.
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I like to use 1882 Japanese 2 Sen coins (the dragon design changed year to year, '82 is, IMO. the prettiest), and the missing rim is a big tell there (Todd milled a few to a match a C/S that he made for me a while back). The coin, while beautiful, is a very thick, very heavily rimmed coin. I just keep it on the move if possible, and try not to let it sit in my hand for to long next unmilled 2 sen coins.

Coin collectors will notice right away... I forgot about those trick spoiling know-it-alls Smile

(I'm a coin collector, so it's ok for me call them names!)

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