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1tepa1 Inner circle 1281 Posts |
So I have been working on this idea that uses this 10 card poker deal principle that I have seen a few magicians use, but I don't know where this principle is published first. One magician I saw use this principle is David Parr in his dead man's hand card trick: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxG7eGCA......avidParr . Now, I know that the idea where two cards are dealt, one is picked and the other is discarded to the bottom is not new, Harry Lorayne has a version in his book. What I am asking specifically is this specific way of doing the trick where the choice the spectator makes goes in an alternative manner, where after the spectator picks a card for himself, next round the spectator picks a card for the magician. The change in the trick where instead of dealing two cards, three cards are dealt, is what enables this procedure. Because in all the other version of this trick I have seen there is a moment in the beginning where the spectator selects cards for himself multiple times in a row and then the magician pretends like he forgot that he also needs cards, and now the spectator selects cards for the magician multiple times in a row. This method gets rid of that, the turns alternate, there is no point where the spectator chooses two times or more in a row a card for himself and then he chooses two times or more a card for the magician.
Here is a description of the the trick I am working on. 10 cards are used, and on the back of each card there is a letter written. Two are dealt on the table, the spectator selects one for himself, the other is discarded to the bottom to the packet. Two cards are dealt, the spectator selects one to the magician, the other is discarded to the bottom of the pile. Again the same is done and the spectator selects one for himself. And again the same is done and the spectator selects one for the magician. Next there is a slight change, now 3 cards are dealt on the table and the spectator selects 2 for himself, the one left is discarded to the bottom. The same is done for the magician, the spectator selects 2 for the magician and the left over is discarded to the bottom. Now there are 2 cards remaining and the magician tells the spectator look at his hand and pick one of the two cards that will make his hand stronger. At the end the spectator shows his hand, the spectator has four of a kind, four fives and a nine. The magicians says that this is a great hand, and asks if the spectator felt they were influenced by the letters on the backs of the cards. The magician takes the spectators cards and says "even though these are great cards, lets see what the backs say" and he deals the cards on a row, turning them over and the letters on the five cards spell out "LOSER". Next the magician shows his own cards, he has a royal flush in spades. The magician says "and as you know, there is only one explanation for this, I CHEAT", and as the words "I CHEAT" are said, the magician deals his cards on the table in a row, exposing the backs of the five cards which spell out "CHEAT". |
Ray J Inner circle St. Louis, MO 1503 Posts |
Two ideas on options you might take. First, conjuringarchive.com has a lot of references and you might recognize something there that leads you to a reference.
Secondly, Bob Farmer published THE resource for all things 10 Card Poker Deal. If you are a fan of the plot, you need his book. https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/magic-......dossier/ (says possibly discontinued, but you might ask them, or Penguin or any other dealer)
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1tepa1 Inner circle 1281 Posts |
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On Feb 28, 2023, Ray J wrote: Thanks for the advice. I have looked at conjuring archive but have been unable to find any mention of this poker deal procedure. The ten card poker deal book, I am aware of this, but I don't want to buy it just for the off chance that the thing I am looking for is in there, this is why I asked here first because I know many people have that book and speak highly of it, so if this method is in that book, I think I could find people here that would confirm that. Not only because in my opinion, this is the best and most fair way of doing the 10 card poker deal using the "take one, discard the other" principle. Yet I don't see this used, there are multiple magicians I see doing a variation of this routine, Darwin Ortiz has one, Penn and Teller have performed one, Harry Lorayne has one in his book, John Bannon has one that many people like. Yet, the procedure that I am talking about is in my opinion superior to any of those. So it puzzles me why there are not more magicians doing this variation since it gets rid of the biggest flaw of the trick (in my opinion), which is that the choosing of the cards does not happen like in a real game, where the turns alternate. If you play a game of normal poker, you don't deal two cards to your spectator, then deal two cards to you, you alternate evenly. You don't get into a situation where the spectator has 3 cards and you have one and say "oh I forgot to deal cards to myself, let me now deal two cards to me to make us even". This method allows you to end up with the same ending as the Bannon trick, but it gets rid of the problem of not alternating the cards evenly. |
Ray J Inner circle St. Louis, MO 1503 Posts |
You could also reach out to Bob Farmer via email. You can find his email address fairly easily but since I don't have authorization to divulge it, I will not. Bob can give you his educated opinion on what you are proposing.
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magico Special user Connecticut 862 Posts |
You might want to look at Revised Mexican Poker. It was first published in 1999 in Magic Magazine. There is an added idea from the magazine which follows more closely in how a poker hand is played.
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JonHackl Regular user Western Australia 198 Posts |
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On Feb 28, 2023, 1tepa1 wrote: This dealing procedure sounds like Richard Vollmer's 242 Deal (Magic October 2006), though his doesn't have the letters on the backs, which is an interesting touch. In my poker deal, Silver, every choice is of one of two face-down cards, strictly alternating between the two hands. It does require sleight-of-hand. If you want self-working, I think Vollmer's method is one of the best.
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1tepa1 Inner circle 1281 Posts |
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On Mar 1, 2023, JonHackl wrote: You are right, this is the exact procedure! Thank you. In my version the spectator gets a four of a kind, and the magician gets either a royal or a straight flush. The procedure I think is the same, the setup might be a bit different because of the cards that are used, not sure about that. The letters idea is something new I have been thinking about. |
David Parr V.I.P. 898 Posts |
The dealing procedure I use in my Hand of Fate routine is based on Richard Vollmer's 242 Deal. The rest is as yet unpublished, but will soon be available to folks who attend the IBM convention in Pittsburgh...
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Tom Cutts Staff Northern CA 5925 Posts |
Decades ago I attended an Allan Ackerman lecture where he had a three phase ten card poker deal routine. If I recall correctly, one of the phases had an alternating aspect to it. You might try contacting him.
Btw that lecture also featured the Bottom Up Zarrow shuffle which is devastating. |
David Parr V.I.P. 898 Posts |
If you missed the IBM convention in July: https://ko-fi.com/s/c40d3c2f77
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Nikodemus Inner circle 1139 Posts |
Hand of Fate looks amazing! Adding the prediction takes it to another level. AND the Wild Bill Hickok plot too. Wow!
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jekyllandhyde Regular user 200 Posts |
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On Jun 5, 2023, David Parr wrote: Is the unpublished handling in this purchase? |
David Parr V.I.P. 898 Posts |
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On Sep 6, 2023, jekyllandhyde wrote: Yes, this is the latest version |
David Parr V.I.P. 898 Posts |
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On Sep 5, 2023, Nikodemus wrote: Thank you! It’s been in the works for a long time, and now it finally matches what I’d envisioned years ago. |
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