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The_MetalMaster Veteran user Indiana 336 Posts 
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On May 10, 2024, peirceman wrote: Yes, this is Card Calling. I learned it from Richard Osterlind. It is one of the routines I do in my set. |
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Nikodemus Inner circle 1321 Posts
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The advantage of using marked cards is you don't need a peek at any card in the deck - which is what you would need to do otherwise. So the methods cancel each other out.
Deck can be on a table, spectator cuts off a block, and looks at the bottom card. You can't see the back of their card; you can't see the face of any other card; but you can still name their card. This is a nice way to build up to calling multiple cards. Various creators have come up with card-calling routines, including Aronson, Ortiz and Jan Forster. Ortiz's leaves the deck in order if I remember rightly, whereas most destroy it. Jan Forster's is my favourite handling. I am not familiar with Osterlind's. |
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JuanPoop Loyal user Luckily for you, I only have 244 Posts
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On May 10, 2024, The_MetalMaster wrote: Thanks for this prompt. I love this trick, but I got a strong sense of déjà vu when I watched it. It looks exactly the same as a video that I have recently seen on YouTube by Paul Cummins. The video was titled “Tap a Lack”. I have watched Allan Ackerman’s video explaining Ungaffed Ted, but I don’t have access to Paul Cummins explanation of Tap a Lack. I assume that these two amazing magicians operated in roughly the same era, although Paul was about 10-11 years younger (and has sadly passed away). I learned Allan’s version, which he does with a Mem-deck (I use Mnemonica). However, Paul is famous for FASDIU tricks. Is it possible that he developed a way to this FASDIU ??? Other than that (remote!) possibility, these two tricks look to be one and the same. Can anyone shed more light? TIA.
aka Lucky John
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rmorrell Loyal user 270 Posts
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I believe they all stem from Al Koran's version called Double Thought.
Paul's version is definitely FASDIU, you can find a thread here on the Cafe that might give you some idea of some of the method involved: https://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/view......c=418953 You can find it in the MAGIC magazine referenced or if you have Joshua Jay's new Talk About Tricks books. I personally struggle with the method for Tap a Lack, but do use a memdeck, so Allan's version is fantastic. Pit Hartling also has a couple of methods in his book In Order to Amaze called Thought Exchange and Just Like That which are fantastic. The three methods I have used the most though for this type of routine that work great in strolling are Matt Baker's Casablanca which can be found in his Buena Vista Shuffle Club book, Joshua Jay's Double Thought which is on his At the Table lecture and Darwin Ortiz's Sorcerers Apprentice which is in his book Lessons in Card Mastery all three are great, simple versions if you already use a memdeck and perfect for using whilst strolling. |
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The_MetalMaster Veteran user Indiana 336 Posts
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On May 13, 2024, JuanPoop wrote: Would you happen to have a video link to a performance of Ungaffed Ted? |
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The_MetalMaster Veteran user Indiana 336 Posts
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On May 14, 2024, rmorrell wrote: Thanks for the information here. I may check out Joshua's At the Table lecture. Much appreciated! |
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Nikodemus Inner circle 1321 Posts
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On May 14, 2024, JuanPoop wrote: The effect is the same; the methods are different - Ungifted TED uses a mem-deck. It is very quick and easy to perform if you are suitably prepared. Tap-A-Lack can indeed be done FASDIU. It uses Clocking which (for me) is slower and more arduous. |
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JuanPoop Loyal user Luckily for you, I only have 244 Posts
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Thank you for all of the comments and suggestions. There is a bit to research here.
Interestingly, I have been using a basic clocking method in a different ‘find a card’ trick that I sometimes do, but didn’t even connect it to the method used by the esteemed magis mentioned above. That’s on me for not thinking outside the box… I will play with it a bit more to work out whether it’s for me, or not, regarding this type of effect. Given I like mem-deck work, that is most likely the path for me, but I would like to see if I can get my clocking process to a decent time, even if for other effects. Cheers!
aka Lucky John
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Kjellstrom Inner circle Sweden, Scandinavia, Europe 5232 Posts
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A trick that I do often is Darwin Ortiz superstrong effect: Last Laugh. You can learn it from the book Scams and Fantasies with Cards or from the Dvd set.
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dimagma New user 1 Post
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There are some very suitable tricks in the book Repertoire by Asi Wind: The Trick that Never Ends, Crossing Over (performed by D.Blain), A.W.A.C.A.A.N.
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Nikodemus Inner circle 1321 Posts
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Jan Forster has a great effect called Mental Poker on his Penguin lecture. The name is a bit misleading - the effect actually has nothing to do with poker apart from the idea that it would be very useful to know what card someone else is thinking of.
Jan explains a couple of methods in the video. I came up with another solution using a mem-deck. If you watch the lecture, it should be pretty obvious how it would work. |
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JuanPoop Loyal user Luckily for you, I only have 244 Posts
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On Jun 28, 2024, Nikodemus wrote: Hi Nikodemus, I just re-watched my Jan Forster Penguin Live video and I think I know what you mean by the use of a mem-deck. One of the strengths of Jan's routine is the 'almost' hands off nature of it. Getting the spectator(s) to shuffle is always a great way to start, so I assume that your version likely involves false cuts/shuffles on your part in the opening stage. I will try to tread carefully here, hoping I don't cross any method reveal lines... I can certainly see how the mem-deck could deal with the first selection. I guess the magi could false shuffle and the spectator can cut and complete as much as they like, as that won't affect the ordering. You can determine the first selection if you either take a glimpse at the bottom (or the top, if using a marked deck). Can I assume from then on that it doesn't matter if the second spectator shuffles, as the second card selection process is jazzed anyway?
aka Lucky John
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Nikodemus Inner circle 1321 Posts
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Hi Juan,
Sorry - you are completely barking up the wrong tree 
Send me a PM if you want to discuss further |
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JuanPoop Loyal user Luckily for you, I only have 244 Posts
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On Jun 29, 2024, Nikodemus wrote: Ha! That isn’t all that unusual for me . . . Doh! PM sent - thanks in advance
aka Lucky John
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Azzaro Regular user 107 Posts
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I really liked Lu Chen's effect using a memdeck or rather stacked deck.
In his performance (for magicians) he openly discloses that it is a stacked deck. He blindfolds himself and asks the participant to cut the deck multiple times, look at one card and put it back in the middle of the pack. The deck is now handed to the performer, who finds the card by going through the deck still blindfolded (a legit blindfold by the way). For the second phase the participant chooses another card and puts it back inside the deck. But this time the participant himself finds the card by verbal direction from the performer.
Sincerely,
the mind of a hypocritical paradox, portraying the art of serious mischief. |
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JuanPoop Loyal user Luckily for you, I only have 244 Posts
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On Jul 3, 2024, Azzaro wrote: This sounds good and I might check it out. I have read elsewhere that his Penguin lecture was very good. I assume that it can be done with an actual mem-deck and not just with the stack that must be included?
aka Lucky John
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JuanPoop Loyal user Luckily for you, I only have 244 Posts
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Further to my above post, I found a promo trailer for Lu Chen’s Penguin Live, as follows:
https://youtu.be/rDX_vOej9lw?si=5u1JumikLtNKsDnv I think that I can see from this trailer that a certain type of stack is used. Given the effect type, it looks like the same stack that is used in a Rick Lax effect, which utilises a very similar ‘method’ to find a selection. Bottom line, not a mem-deck, but a very useful stack nonetheless . . .
aka Lucky John
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