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shakuni Inner circle 1191 Posts 
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I want to reveal that I knew in advanced a card freely named by someone. There should be no procedure and fiddling with the deck, just pure prediction. But for some reason, I do not want to use an Invisible Deck. Is there an alternative? Thank you!
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27356 Posts
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Yes.
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shakuni Inner circle 1191 Posts
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Can you share more details.
Just to update, I cannot use Kolossal Killer and card index. |
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Wravyn Inner circle 3692 Posts
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Check out Thomas Baxter's Open Prediction Project.
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ChrisPayne-001.jpg "View Profile") Loyal user UK 248 Posts
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On May 12, 2023, Wravyn wrote: The plot of open prediction is not about a thought of card, rather where a spectator will choose to deal a card face down, rather than face up. It would certainly be a boon to be able to perform this, as Penn might say. |
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ThomasJ Inner circle Chicago 1032 Posts
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On May 12, 2023, shakuni wrote: Hi There, Do you mean that you'd like to reveal that you knew in advance as evidenced by the card being the only one face down; or by other means? Also, what do you mean by fiddling with the deck? |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27356 Posts
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On May 12, 2023, shakuni wrote: The other magic Café members can give you better replies if you state all of your constraints, and performing context, and what your priorities are for methods. * So, having asked a volunteer to name a card - they say "my dentist's business card" - now what? 
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Wravyn Inner circle 3692 Posts
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On May 12, 2023, ChrisPayne wrote: True, yet there may be something in there to spark an idea. Now, if the OP is looking for a commercial item, perhaps this will fit the parameters. https://youtu.be/OffSwfVssKY |
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Mb217 Inner circle 9616 Posts
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That Zoltar is a neat one alright.
 Reminds me of my younger days buying all sorts of decks from Tannen’s in NYC. This one is a nice and fun idea along these lines. 
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shakuni Inner circle 1191 Posts
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@Wravyn
Thanks a lot, Zolatar's opener works for me. Still open for any other similar suggestions. Thnaks! |
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ThomasJ Inner circle Chicago 1032 Posts
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Check out Ernesto Melero‘s Impromptu Invisible Deck. Again, it’s unclear what your definition of fiddling with the deck is, but perhaps this effect will meet your needs.
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Nikodemus Inner circle 1345 Posts
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On May 16, 2023, ThomasJ wrote: That looks way more fiddly than the usual ID. |
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Alan Munro.jpg "View Profile") Inner circle Kentwood, Michigan, USA 5983 Posts
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Kranzo's Mene Tekel DVD has a great Card In Fly routine that fits. I would pull the prediction from my wallet, instead from my fly.
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ThomasJ Inner circle Chicago 1032 Posts
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On May 16, 2023, Nikodemus wrote: Probably, but he didn’t want to use the ID. If a deck is used but not an ID, there’s probably going to be more work required. If there is a prediction and the card is freely named, any use of a deck seems unnecessary anyway. |
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Nikodemus Inner circle 1345 Posts
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It's not really clear (to me) what Shakuni's criteria are.
Why is Zolatar's Openar ok, but not ID? Is the R/S a problem? |
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shakuni Inner circle 1191 Posts
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Invisible deck is googlable. If you google the description, you get the solution.
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shakuni Inner circle 1191 Posts
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By fiddling, I mean handling of the cards. The effect I do is not related to cards, but at the end there is a card reveal for some reason. But it has to be super clean, like invisible deck.
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Jason Simonds Veteran user Pensacola, FL 318 Posts
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For your use case, you don't need to call it an Invisible Deck and then it's not as Googlable. If you like Zoltar, you might also consider a Brainwave Deck.
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ThomasJ Inner circle Chicago 1032 Posts
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On May 17, 2023, shakuni wrote: Thanks for clarifying what you meant by fiddling. Perhaps I'm missing something; but if an effect involves cards, it's also likely to require some degree of handling the cards. While I'm afraid I can't help with your original inquiry, I would strongly suggest you don't waste too much time worrying about what is google-able. Every generation of magicians has had its secrets exposed. Your presentation and personality are more powerful than the method employed to bring about a desired effect. Best of luck to you. Respectfully, T.J. |
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Mb217 Inner circle 9616 Posts
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On May 16, 2023, ThomasJ wrote: As usual, Im late to the table here…very late! But just wanted to say that this is quite clever and a nice piece of thinking.
There’s not much not to like about this. Perhaps there’s some little things, but nothing compares to what’s overall great about the effect. And there’s nothing hard here, though some good practice will smooth out things a bit. The trick is well taught, explained and demonstrated. While not exactly like the old ID, it certainly has that sorta feel to it as to intent and presentation. It’s different because it’s done differently, but to me the differences aren’t bad things here. Love that it’s all SOH, but nothing difficult really. With all that, I’d say it’s a real winner! The whole bundle has pretty clever stuff, but the ID is the cherry-on-top for me…a fun piece!
Highly Recommended!
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