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Neale Bacon Inner circle Burnaby BC Canada 1775 Posts |
If this is in the wrong place, feel free to move it.
I just had to vent a little. I have a group of magicians who meet every week to do a little magic, and have a couple of cold ones (Diet Coke in my case). One magician persists in the most unbelievably arrogant attitude about him and his magic. He can really dominate the room to the point no one wants to do magic until he leaves, otherwise he will show you how he does it better, or why his type of performing is better than yours. I don't think talking to him would help. I just had to vent, and ask if anyone else has a magician like this in their circle of influence??
Neale Bacon and his Crazy Critters
Burnaby BC Canada's Favourite Family Ventriloquist www.baconandfriends.com |
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Niko Special user England 599 Posts |
I have to say that sounds similar to me in a way!!
I don't know if it's me or my friend, but often when my friend is learning a move I already know, I like how I do it, and sometimes he feels I'm taking too much control and I simply want to do it "to show him I'm better," when really I just want to help him. Often though he makes a mistake and I seem to always correct him, which annoys him too, and sometimes when he performs a trick which we both do (although we have tried to make it so we have separate tricks now), I sometimes feel frustrated if he isn't doing it the way I like it, the way I feel is best and again, have been known to butt in and correct him. I understand how this can be annoying, and I'm getting better (I think) at not doing this so much, and also now that we do separate tricks, I don't feel the need for him to do it "my way" because I don't do that effect at all. -Niko
When you do something right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.
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Mike Wild Inner circle NY, PA, TX, MA, FL, NC 1290 Posts |
I'm all alone in the great void of Western NY presently, so the only direct magic company that I have is my girlfriend's son, who has declared himself my protégée. We spend a couple nights per week reviewing and showing each other our new ideas. It's nice, but I'm definitely the knowitall of the group.
I used to have a circle of magic friends when I lived in Boston. I find that, now that I'm putting more time into my manuscripts, it may be to my benefit to not have a lot of direct external contact. It tended to muddy up the waters and set me off on tangents. Best, Mike |
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Doug Higley 1942 - 2022 7152 Posts |
Yes Neale...been around the 'type' in numerous situations.
What is at stake is the viability of the group itself. When that friendly dynamic is being upset by somebody who thinks it's 'all about him', the group suffers and eventually deteriorates. 1. The group will begin to focus negativity toward that person...one or two will be on his side and then...well...it does become 'all about him'. 2. Folks like your self who'ld rather not rock the boat will just withdraw participation. Again the group becomes moot. If this is a problem percieved by many in the group then delagate a couple to talk to him. Not necassary to knock him down a peg unless he doesn't 'get it'. -------------------- Of course you could always... A. Offer him the oportunity to start his own group...elsewhere. B. Offer him a special 'spotlight time' to impress everyone...then go home. C. Enjoy his ego attacks as wonderful entertainment worthy of a barrel of laffs (at the wrong moments). D. Tell him his methods suck. E> Steal his material. Doug
Higley's Giant Flea Pocket Zibit
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Big Daddy Cool Inner circle 1604 Posts |
There is one in every group...
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bishthemagish Inner circle 6013 Posts |
In magic there always seems to be a person in the group that thinks that they are better than everyone else.
Often when two magicians meet it becomes a contest of who can top this. In the old days I wouldn't try to top other magician because I used to like to watch them perform and this way I could get ideas. They used to come into my Fathers magic shop and then try to let everyone know that they were a professional magician. They even may own their own rabbit and tux! These people have seemed to be more talk than walk because often they run out of material and then pipe down. Or they brag and then stick their neck out to far and get themselves into a problem. I let them run off at the mouth and then things quiet down. You can always find a time to meet with people you like in magic for lunch without these people around...
Glenn Bishop Cardician
Producer of the DVD Punch Deal Pro Publisher of Glenn Bishop's Ace Cutting And Block Transfer Triumphs |
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ColinB Regular user 129 Posts |
I had similar experiences at a few magic societies, which is mainly why I don't go any more.
When I was new to a certain town (and to the US), the guy at the local magic shop encouraged me to come along to a club he was involved with. The encumbent "celeb" magician, an older, "professional", sagacious type, condescended to ask me what kind of magic I did. At the time, I was mainly concentrating on card magic, and told him so. In an ironic, loud, sing-song voice, he said, "Oh, that's a shame," and walked away without another word. He didn't deign to speak to me the rest of the evening. I guess he wanted me to know that my field of magic was too narrow, and that his walking away without further communication was to tell me that I was so beyond redemption it was pointless speaking to me any more. A couple of months later, I was featured doing magic on the local TV news. I do hope the gentleman in question saw it. I don't think he's been on TV. |
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Reis O'Brien Inner circle Seattle, WA 2467 Posts |
The solution is simple, stab him in the eyeball with something pointy... then kick him.
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Mike Wild Inner circle NY, PA, TX, MA, FL, NC 1290 Posts |
I like your suggestions Firedice... direct, effective, not too time consuming.
BTW, remind me never to p!ss you off, heckle you, or try to out do your magic Best, Mike |
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Clifford the Red Inner circle LA, California 1941 Posts |
Yes, nice Chicago efficiency
I prefer a bit more torture, but ending it quickly is good too.
"The universe is full of magical things, waiting for our wits to grow sharper." Eden Philpotts
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wol Loyal user Norfolk, UK 238 Posts |
I have been lucky not to run into such a person at a magic meeting but I have had the misfortune of meeting one such person at my martial arts club, so I broke his arm!
Keep passing the open windows!
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Bill Hallahan Inner circle New Hampshire 3226 Posts |
I think you should be thankful he's there to give you good suggestions!
I am kidding. That's really annoying, (and even more annoying when they're right.) The mature thing to do is to ignore them and take their advice if it makes sense, but I've had trouble following that advice myself. There's a magician who does this to often me when I perform anything at our club meetings. It did occur to me that perhaps he was a good source for feedback, but it seemed more like he was merely trying to find something wrong with my performances. Other magicians never gave the same criticism if I asked them for a review. The last time this happened, he stated I did something wrong just because I did it differently than him. I disagreed with him. He became both patronizing and condescending. I acted visibly annoyed although I didn’t say anything then. Later, I documented how I was correct from several sources and composed a long e-mail message to him. After repudiating his incorrect suggestion, I presented a method where he could improve his technique if he took my advice (well, actually the advice of those far wiser than me.) He’s been quieter since then. But Firedice’s suggestion has a certain appeal, although I think he’s far too merciful. Note to self: "Don't mess with wol!" By the way, Neal, PM me later. My posting style is far superior to yours and I can give you some tips on how to do it better.
Humans make life so interesting. Do you know that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to create boredom. Quite astonishing.
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Partizan Inner circle London UK 1682 Posts |
I tend to tell people when they're hacking me off, Also if I see them hacking other people off I get involved.
You must make the distinction between a over-helpful person and a big show-off. or you could offend someone without need.
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Neale Bacon Inner circle Burnaby BC Canada 1775 Posts |
Oh no question this is pure showing off!
I have been doing magic for 30 years and yet he tries to make me feel like a rank amateur. OK, I yelled and kicked my feet. I feel better now. Thanks for listening.
Neale Bacon and his Crazy Critters
Burnaby BC Canada's Favourite Family Ventriloquist www.baconandfriends.com |
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Reis O'Brien Inner circle Seattle, WA 2467 Posts |
Just remember that the shortest distance between a heckler and the floor starts somewhere around the area where his teeth used to be.
There's a guy at my local SAM ring that severely needs to be a part of this little lesson. The next time he gets under my skin I'm going to show him a new way to store his wand. |
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bishthemagish Inner circle 6013 Posts |
Show off's and jerks are part of the world of magic.
Most of the professionals I have known in my life rise above it and accept that it is part of the game. The jerk show off's have their moment and then go back to their day job... And the magic world keeps on turning...
Glenn Bishop Cardician
Producer of the DVD Punch Deal Pro Publisher of Glenn Bishop's Ace Cutting And Block Transfer Triumphs |
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meilechl Special user 657 Posts |
If, as you stated, you get together on a regular basis for drinks, you might just try putting poison in his drink.
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Mike Robbins Elite user Anchorage, Alaska 447 Posts |
We had two in a group I was in. I left the group. Now I get together in an unofficial "rogue" (as they've called it) group. Basically, many of the members of the "old" group left and we now have a new group without all the arrogance and egos.
Life's too short to waste time on people like that. Mike
The fool doth think he is wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool.
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Reis O'Brien Inner circle Seattle, WA 2467 Posts |
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On 2004-07-14 21:10, Mike Robbins wrote: So true. A waste of time. Bullets, on the other hand... |
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deerbourne Regular user Centennial, CO 174 Posts |
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On 2004-07-14 21:57, Firedice27 wrote: But then you'd be spending money at Walmart instead of your favorite magic haunt. Deerbourne |
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