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gerard1973 Special user Michigan, U.S.A. 688 Posts |
I have been interested in Coin Cups ever since I found out about them. I thought that some of you coin workers and magicians would like to know a little about them. Here is what I know about them.
Steve Dusheck first invented Coin Cups. A Coin Cup is basically a Chop Cup for coins. It is made out of aluminum cup and resembles a shot glass. Coin Cups are 1-3/8” tall, 1-3/8” wide at the mouth, and 1-1/8” wide at the base. They can easily hold six half-dollars and comes with a gimmicked half dollar. Coin Cups can be purchased from Douglas Brewer’s website for $28.00. Chazpro Magic also sells Coin Cups. They call them Leprechaun Cups. They sell three versions, a Shamrock Cup, a Lots-A-Coins Cup, and a Shamrock Sucker Cup. The Shamrock Cup is a regular Coin Cup and the Lots-A-Coins Cup is the Lota Bowl of Coin Cups. The Shamrock Cup, a Lots-A-Coins Cup both sell for $29.95. The Shamrock Sucker Cup is a Sucker Coin Cup that the half-dollars coins will not fit into. The Shamrock Sucker Cup sells for $19.95. There is also a Limited Edition Brass Shamrock Cup that sells for $45.00. I have seen somewhere that a few magicians are giving the James Riser/Dennis Loomis Micro Chop Cup another function by using them as Coin Cups. The James Riser/Dennis Loomis Micro Chop Cups can be purchased from either James Riser or Dennis Loomis at their website. These great little Micro Chop Cups will definitely make you drool! As far as I know there are only two books about Coin Cups: The Miracle Coin Cup by Jerry Mentzner and The Modern Coin Cup by Douglas Brewer. Both of these books can be purchased from Douglas Brewer on his website. I haven’t seen any DVDs about Coin Cups but there is a VHS video tape about Coin Cups that can be found at the Chazpro Magic website. The video is called the Leprechaun Cup Video and costs $14.95. That’s all I know about them. I haven’t even used one yet because I’m waiting for mine to come in from Douglas Brewer. Does anyone here at the Magic Café own or use a Coin Cup? If you do what else can you tell us about Coin Cups?
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sethb Inner circle The Jersey Shore 2719 Posts |
I posted a review of Doug's coin cup and booklet in the Tricks & Effects section.
I'm not sure how to hyperlink it here, so you'll have to go there and hop to page 11 to see it. SETH
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doug brewer V.I.P. 1142 Posts |
The Shamrock and Lots-a-coins cups differ in that they are basically slot cups (very ingeniously gaffed, however). The Coin Cup is how you basically described it - a chop cup and gaffed coin.
I am selling the Miracle Coin cup, originally produced and marketed by Al Cohen. I also have the book of routines and moves mentioned above. Since so few people really know or use the cup, instead of marketing a DVD or video of coin cup routines, I am going to simply put clips on my webpage of routines. This way people can see what can be done with the prop and maybe appreciate its uses. I think we are just scratching the surface with what can be done with this thing. I really like it too . . . |
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S.Segal Special user San Diego 949 Posts |
Anyone who is too lazy to go to page 11 (which I am), here is the link to "sethb"'s review:
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......orum=109 More info about the cup can be found here: http://www.dougbrewermagic.com S.Segal |
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Jim Tighe Veteran user West Virginia 363 Posts |
Thanks for the good info. How does the Solari Miser's Miracle fit into the mix?
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Yup, more cups not to drink out of...
Start with your coffee mug or teacup and see how things go.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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mike gallo Inner circle 1341 Posts |
Anyone who is too lazy to go to page 11
Wow, you know me to well ! Mike |
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
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On 2004-07-19 12:57, gerard1973 wrote: I believe that Eddie Gibson actually invented these. Otherwise, your history is pretty much dead on. Ronjo produces a set of them also. I have a set of Mentzer cups and a set of Ronjo cups. For me they are mainly a curiosity.
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
I have one of doug brewers' cups. And the book.
There are some interesting things in there with this. I don't have any routines I perform with it but I have played with the cup, et al.
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Dennis Loomis 1943 - 2013 2113 Posts |
To Bill Palmer,
I think that in this case you are wrong. (You seldom are, and it's possible that I'm mistaken.) But Steve Dusheck was the first to think of and market a coin cup. His original routine was called "Shrinking Fluid" and you'll find it along with some modern "improvements" by Doug Brewer and myself in Doug's book: The Modern Coin Cup. Steve tells me that Eddie Gibson got the idea from him. Now, I believe that Steve is a straight shooter and so I believe him. However, I've not heard any other "side" to this story. Alas, Jim Riser has not gotten into production on the gaffed coins which he had planned to make to turn the Copper Loomis/Riser Micro Chop Cups into Coin Cups. He produced enough so that we could supply them with our special limited edition Gold Plated Micro Chop Cup Sets. In that case, the coins were also gold plated. The set contained 4 regular Sacagewea Dollars (Gold Plated) and the one gaffed Sac. Dollar, also Gold Plated. Unfortunately, all of these sets have been sold, although there may be some chance that we'll do another limited run of a dozen in the fall. (If you're intersted, let me know.) Doug's book is full of clever routines and effects for those of you that want to get into Coin Cup Magic. Dennis Loomis
Itinerant Montebank
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stevenamills Veteran user 397 Posts |
Sounds uncomfortable......
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Eric Falconer Veteran user Houston 378 Posts |
Are these coin cups anything like the Merlin cups (quarters) or Midas Cups (halves)? I have a set of the Merlin Cups. They are very classy. Ask Bill he saw me do a routine with them a few months ago...
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
Dennis:
You are probably right about the Duschek and Gibson situation. I was drawing from a resource that did not have complete information. Eric: No, these are completely different. I'll see if I can remember to bring them to the IBM meeting next Monday.
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com |
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RonjoMagic Regular user Long Island NY 138 Posts |
Hello,
I jsut wanted to give you a bit more info on the Coin Cups. The Miracle Cups & Coins http://www.ronjo.com/Merchant2/merchant.......29603002 was created as a joint venture in 1975 by Jan's Magical & Ronald C. Diamond (aka Ronjo). Over the years we have made many improvments to all of the supplied items. After that came Al Cohen's Coin (chop) Cup. I actaully was not aware that Steve Dushek made these. Does anyone know what year? Thanks, Pete |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Thanks for the reminder about shrinking fluid. It was so clever, Tony Spina at Tannen's showed us the thing. NICE application of the setup.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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Dennis Loomis 1943 - 2013 2113 Posts |
I checked with Steve Dusheck and here's a part of the email he sent:
Hi Denny, I put out my shrinking fluid around 1963/64. It was one of my earliest creations and on my first magic list. I deliberately came up with a different presentation so it would not be just a chop cup using a coin. I gave Gibson permission to make it in 1970/71. That should be easy to research. His instructions were copyrighted and I'm sure Ed Mishell reviewed it in genii. Johnny Murray made a brass version without my permission around 1975/76. His was a chop cup type of routine. I made 3 different gimmicks for my trick by 1967 so many different tricks could be performed with it. The other people claiming they invented it didn't make anything but copies of my first gimmick. Best Wishes, Steve Pete, I'm not accusing you of stealing. I suspect that Ronjo was unaware of the Dusheck release. After all, if you know the "secret" of the Chop Cup, it's a pretty logical step forward to adapt it to use with a coin. That dictates the size and shape of the cup. You guys did "push the envelope" with the inclusion of a solid cup and solid stack of cups. As far as I know, no one else offers that. A suggestion... Pete. As 50 cent pieces are almost totally dropped from circulation, it would be nice if you would make your set available in a quarter size. Reinvention happens a lot in magic. That's why documenting your creations and these kinds of historical inquiries are of value. I think that Steve Dusheck is one of magic's most creative thinkers. Unfortunately, his ideas have been used by so many others without permission that he's now become disinterested in producing or releasing new magic effects. That's not only a shame, but a big loss to magic generally. I'm in a similiar situation with a card palming move based on the Kelly Bottom Placement. I came up with the idea many years ago. But, I did not publish it, and Seth Kramer came up with basically the same thing. I do not know who was "first." But, Seth published it in MAGIC. He gave it the great name "Kelly Kop." So, it's "his." And I have no problem with that. I'm quite sure we each developed it separately, but if it had been important to me that it was "mine" then I needed to publish it somewhere, or put it in lecture notes, or something like that. It wasn't, and I didn't, and Seth gets and deserves the credit. Dennis Loomis
Itinerant Montebank
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RonjoMagic Regular user Long Island NY 138 Posts |
Denny,
I was not aware of the Duscheck set. Was his a single cup or 3 like cups and balls? Also our cups can be shown empty anytime. Could you do that with Dushecks? Just curious. As far as the quarter set goes, it has been on the back burner for a while. We may do it in the future. Pete |
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Dave V Inner circle Las Vegas, NV 4824 Posts |
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On 2004-07-19 23:17, falconermagic wrote: I have the quarter size Merlin cups (in walnut). They came from Collector's Workshop. Basically a chopped two cup set where the quarters transpose one at a time from cup to cup, finally ending in a shower of dimes.
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doowopper Elite user 492 Posts |
Hi Jim,
I have Solari's, "Miser Miracle." It's a fine effect. I do it close up. It requires little skill, but can be embellished if you like. You get a nice metal cup about 4 1/2" high and a special something that allows you to keep producing half dollars and "putting them into the cup." At the end of the routine, a giant half dollar is produced from the cup. The special something can be easily ditched at that point. I get terrific reactions to it. Richard |
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S.Segal Special user San Diego 949 Posts |
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On 2004-07-26 13:53, RonjoMagic wrote: With the gaff inside (or not), you can tilt the cup towards the specs and show it freely. Everything looks as it should be. Hope this answers your questions. S.Segal |
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