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The purpose of this post is not to put people down, but rather to identify annoying habits that we would do well to recognize in an effort to maximize our performance persona. I'm also interested in discovering why someone can rub us the wrong way, even though we have no idea why.

Me first you say? OK, I have two off the top of my head. One comes up with some awesome tricks (I consider him one of the true greats), but he seems to get over-familiar with spectators. To me this is very cringe. The other I can't identify why I don't feel comfortable watching him, but I think it has to do with his voice. Maybe I associate it with a bad experience in the past.

As I type this I'm not feeling 100% comfortable with the topic because I don't want to be negative. I do think my observation about over-familiarity is valid, but my discomfort may be entirely personal and therefore of little merit.

Does anyone else find certain magicians' traits annoying or cringeworthy? We are often blind to our own personal habits or ways of expression, and I sometimes cringe when I think of my past self. I'm sure I have much more work to do in perfecting my craft and coming across in a congruent, entertaining and likeable way.
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Without identifying a particular magician, I'm averse to the overuse of the word "perfect." Every time the spec does something the magician says "perfect." I know it's compliment and a nice thing to say. But it begins to feel insincere like a knee jerk reaction. Everything is "perfect." Ouch.

Also, overly verbose instructions like "What I want you to do is, I want you to cut the deck" Why not just say "Give the deck a cut." Or "please cut the deck."

Another one is "Do me a favor. Pick a card." How is picking a card, doing you a favor??

Just some pet peeves.

I'm sure I've stepped on some toes by now...

Mike
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Those are some great observations.

Another one that always rubs me the wrong way is when magicians say, "Isn't that weird?" or "Isn't that crazy?" right after the trick is over.
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The needles snapping of cards is just grating.
Magicians who think they are “proving” something, not realizing by extension that when they don’t prove it, they prove the opposite.
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I agree about snapping cards. Once is enough.

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I believe once is too much. Nobody but a magician ever does it. And what about the times you don’t snap them?

Meh life goes on.
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On Jul 9, 2024, Mike Powers wrote:
Without identifying a particular magician, I'm averse to the overuse of the word "perfect." Every time the spec does something the magician says "perfect." I know it's compliment and a nice thing to say. But it begins to feel insincere like a knee jerk reaction. Everything is "perfect." Ouch.



The same goes for the overuse of the word "awesome". If everything is awesome, then nothing is truly awesome.


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Here is one that most of us are guilty of (me, too) and it is a bad habit that needs to be broken:

Frequently breaking eye contact with the audience where we look down at our hands or look at a prop (usually at key moments when we are executing some secret move, which is exactly when we should NOT be looking down at our hands or at the prop we are holding ... *Remember: the audience's eyes follow your eye direction. Where you look, they look.). It comes from being under-rehearsed , not knowing exactly where our body (especially our hands) should be positioned at all times. Rehearse until you can do it with your eyes closed. Look at the great magicians and notice how almost all of the time they maintain eye contact with the audience, they are not self-consciously staring at their own hands.
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"Now what I'm gonna do now is ..."

"Here I have a ..."

(bonus shame points for "Here I have a ordinary ..." )


Very annoying . Just do it. SHOW them, don't tell them what you're going to do ,or state what it is obvious you have in front of you or in your hand.
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It comes from being under-rehearsed , not knowing exactly where our body (especially our hands) should be positioned at all times. Rehearse until you can do it with your eyes closed.



In another topic I shared this advice from David Alexander. It bears repeating here, in relation to the above point .

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Here is David Alexander's advice for learning the torn & restored newspaper (or any other trick that you're serious about performing at a professional level), posted on the Genii forum way back in 2007. If you don't know who David Alexander was , he was the protege of the great Senor Jose Frakson who taught him for seven years. He was also close to Charlie Miller and learned many things from Charlie Miller. A short bio. of David Alexander: https://tinyurl.com/Bio-of-DavidAlexander

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"Because I don't have to think about what my hands and arms are going to do I can adjust my presentation to the needs of the audience...a little slower here....a little faster there...a look or expression at the appropriate moment for the particular audience...all without thinking about what I have to do next. That gives me the opportunity to interact with the audience, to look at them, smile, talk if I want, all the while knowing that my hands and arms will be doing the right thing. Doing the mechanics on auto-pilot gives me the opportunity to customize the presentation to the audience, as every experienced pro worth his salt can do."



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"Whatever version of the torn & restored newspaper you decide to learn, here's a protocol to get it down. Make up three hundred papers.

Study whatever illustrations there are in the instructions.

Speaking slowly, make an audio recording of the instructions, three or four times all the way through.

Stand in front of a full-length mirror, pick up a paper and turn on the recording. Watching yourself in the mirror and NOT looking at your hands, tear and restore 50 newspapers, slowly following your recorded instructions.

When you feel comfortable with the newspaper in your hand and you are doing it without error, re-record the instructions speaking at a normal speed.

Tear up and restore another 50-75 papers. Doing the movements slowly at first will train your muscle memory and make you comfortable with the movements.

Once you've torn and restored at least 150 papers over a few days, you're on your way. With the remaining papers practice them as part of your regular routine, determining where you'll put the paper and how to pick it up so you don't fumble in the early handling.

After you've gone through the 300 papers you've prepared, you should have it down and not have to think about it as you do it.

That is exactly how I learned to do the Slydini Newspaper Tear when I was a kid.

Starting off slowly, learning the proper movements from the precise instructions that Slydini wrote up, prevents the student from learning bad habits that will require un-learning later. The Slydini instructions are quite detailed and there is no "flawed assumption" in them...not from my years of experience anyway.

I have torn and restored literally thousands of papers without a problem over my decades of performing, using Frakson's plot/presentation and the Slydini methodology, learned exactly as I described the process.

Because I don't have to think about what my hands and arms are going to do I can adjust my presentation to the needs of the audience...a little slower here....a little faster there...a look or expression at the appropriate moment for the particular audience...all without thinking about what I have to do next. That gives me the opportunity to interact with the audience, to look at them, smile, talk if I want, all the while knowing that my hands and arms will be doing the right thing. Doing the mechanics on auto-pilot gives me the opportunity to customize the presentation to the audience, as every experienced pro worth his salt can do.

When I performed this as a kid at a SAM show, one of the old timers wrote that I had "torn and restored a newspaper the way it should be done." This comes out of knowing what you're doing, not floundering around until you accidentally stumble on the proper movements and then hope to remember them.

At the beginning the movements may seem mechanical , but like learning to dance, new movements are clumsy only because they are new and unknown.

By the time anyone who follows this protocol finishes his 300th newspaper, he'll have something few others have: a presentation he can rely on."


-David Alexander , March 13th, 2007
https://forums.geniimagazine.com/viewtopic.php?t=5990#p66154




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Sadly, there is not much film footage extant of David Alexander performing , but here is a blurry old 240p resolution video posted 15 years ago on YouTube:

https://youtu.be/FySGgxdPzCU?t=228
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Some great input so far. It’s often difficult to self-evaluate and discover our own traits that might be annoying. I especially like the suggestion of being able to do the trick with your eyes closed.
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David Todd's post above really conected with me.

Many years ago, when I was doing my cards and doves act, I studied every other one I could, and one of the things I noticed was the lack of eye contact. So I determined to be different.

Besides being able to do the act in my sleep, I found that responding to the audience made a huge difference. I was watching them and listening to them to the point that I was practically conversing with them without saying a word (it was a silent act to live music). It felt "right" and the responses were always great.
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Our craft is not far removed from learning a musical instrument. It’s about muscle memory, presentation and communication.

Imagine a musician, though, playing a complex piece and then finishing with, “Isn’t that crazy?” or “Good, right?”

This question at the end of a magic trick screams “unprofessional” to me and I see it all the time on the magic sites.
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I’m also not a big fan of “I can’t understand why that happens”. Ugh.
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Myself, I love a good card snap. It's crisp and draws attention like an auditory flourish (I also like a good visual flourish).

I don't enjoy constant shifting from one foot to the other. It makes me nervous and seasick.

Also not a fan of "Now what I'm gonna do is".

Not a big fan of Magicians telling me (after a show) that
they never write a script. Their performance is usually enough to tell the tale.

Eye contact and live engagement improve any act and as George said, a conversation doesn't have to be verbal.

Lately I see a lot of young performers working overtime to act like they are working "off the cuff" like they just thought of what to do in a street performance. I've never seen one do it well enough to pull it off. I just looks silly. I'm fairly sure someone did it well enough to impress a boatload of copiers but I never saw the "good" one they seem to be emulating.

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I bet that someone "appeared" to pull it off well enough to fool a boatload of copies! Not much is actually off the cuff. It is made to LOOK as if it is, but in reality it isn't even close. They become marks.

I liked it better when the marks bought tickets to shows.

On card snaps. Ugh. But you are entitled to love them!
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Licking fingers to add tackiness to cards and then offering the pack up to be chosen by spectator…(Uh, no thanks!).
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Licking fingers to add tackiness to cards and then offering the pack up to be chosen by spectator…(Uh, no thanks!).


Finger-licking… That’s a pet peeve of mine across the board. I always go to self-checkout at the stores because so many clerks lick their fingers before getting and opening a bag. Disgusting. It’s very common.
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Another vote against finger licking.Disgusting to be asked to pick a card (and in Magic gatherings I'm often chosen being a woman know to likw Card Tricks).

I really don't like ANY in mouth magic but that may be my problem. There are a lot of people doing it.

I have to admit that while it made me a little sick I laughed really hard watching Tom Mullica's cigarette swallowing.

- Mary Mowder
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There is a regular poster in the card section who every time right before he performs one of his original moves his hand disappears from frame and is obviously going to his mouth. Ugh.

Guys do it on video and get angry when you point it out. I’ve given up mentioning it because I’m apparently a jerk when I do. Of course they ‘never would do that in front of people’.

The excuses are almost worse because you KNOW they will never change behavior.
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