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Bob G Inner circle 2976 Posts 
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I want to learn the (back)slip cut force, but I keep making a noise when the top card slides over. Daryl, in his Encylopedia, suggests various ways to avoid the noise, but so far I haven't been able to execute them successfully. Any thoughts?
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Maestro Special user 806 Posts
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If none of the ways Daryl mentions are doable or acceptable, you could maybe just learn the riffle force. It requires holding a break but is almost as easy and it doesn't suffer from the potential visual flashing issue or noise issue.
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Bob G Inner circle 2976 Posts
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Thanks, Maestro. The riffle force is on my list. The slip cut force is so easy (except for the noise) that I had hoped to learn it first. One advantage of the latter is that it's so quick -- an asset in a trick that's a bit on the long side.
So, still hoping for suggestions about the slip cut... |
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CardGuyMike Special user 851 Posts
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Mark Mason does a slip cut in a way that is pretty noiseless, but some people don't like it.
For instance, about 55 seconds in on this video: https://www.jbtvusa.com/p/latest-j-b-pro......rk-mason |
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Bob G Inner circle 2976 Posts
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Thanks, CGMike. I'd forgotten about this one, and I see nothing wrong with it, especially with the fluent, casual way that Mason performs it. Daryl shows it, as does Liam Montier in his False Cuts and Shuffles (?) Project. I'm not sure why it reduces the noise, but I'll give it a try.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21505 Posts
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Well you’re not going to be doing it in silent places. Every day noise will cover the problem.
If it really is that loud ease up on the grip you use. Also talk. Say something. Say anything.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Bob G Inner circle 2976 Posts
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These are good points, Danny. Thank you.
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davidpaul$ Inner circle Georgetown, South Carolina 3130 Posts
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If you are so inclined, check out Gary Kurtz's dvd,
Let's Get Flurious. He has a convincing (silent) Slip Cut Force in a routine he performs and explains. He stops wherever the spectator states, separates the deck at that spot and places the top half of deck on edge to the bottom half. When offering the deck for the spectator to take his card...BAM..done...
Guilt will betray you before technique betrays you!
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21505 Posts
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The issue is when you practice in your room and there is not any ambient noise it sounds like Babe Ruth hitting a home run. But with just the noise of a restaurant and conversation it all goes away.
It also has a little to do with the angle that you take away the deck. The more true that angle is to parallel to the card you are slipping the less snapping noise there will be. Also as I said simple loosen up on the grip. Hold the cards like an egg.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Wravyn Inner circle 3674 Posts
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On Jul 16, 2024, Dannydoyle wrote: Danny, should we be holding the cards as if they are in the shell or out of the shell? jk Very true about the sound. Also, some of what plays into hearing the sound, we know what is happening, is it amplified in our own hears due to magicians guilt? |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21505 Posts
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I’ve never experienced such a thing so I guess?
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Kaliix Inner circle Connecticut 2045 Posts
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I heard about Kurtz's version of the Slip Force, explained on his Let's Get Flurious, from Mark Elsdon's Penguin lecture. I can't comment on the Kurtz download as I don't own it.
However, Mark Elsdon does a fantastic job of giving a detailed, step-by-step explanation and description of Kurtz's version of the Slip Force. The slip force is overlooked because, even if performed correctly, every version I've seen something looks off or fishy. The beauty of the Kurtz version is that the handling not only looks very fair (you don't even have to look) but the presentation of the card looks so like you just couldn't have done anything, as you are looking away, holding the cards far from you with the other part of the deck being held by just the corner also out away from you. See the picture below. Sound isn't a factor in this force as the actions of the force cover any noise. In almost thirty years of magic, Kurtz's slip force is the easiest, fairest, and most reliable force I've found. Bar None! I can't recommend it highly enough!!  Quote:
On Jul 16, 2024, davidpaul$ wrote: ps I know it's twice as expensive but the Elsdon lecture is so worth it...
The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge.
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Bob G Inner circle 2976 Posts
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Hi Kalix and davidpaul$,
You guys have certainly piqued my interest. Am I right about the following?: Kalix, you've seen the Penguin lecture, and davidpaul$, you've seen the Vanishing download (or dvd of the same name)? And each of you feels that the in the videos you watched, the cut was explained in clear detail? I'm trying to decide which one to buy. Thanks, Bob |
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Bob G Inner circle 2976 Posts
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Thanks, Danny, for the "egg" analogy. It was an excellent reminder to hold the cards gently, something I need to keep working on. I tried the cut, moving the card parallel to the talons and holding the cards *very* gently, and I got no noise. But I was moving quite slowly, so the question is whether I can speed it up and still avoid noise.
Meanwhile there's this Kurtz version that I want to check out... |
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Kaliix Inner circle Connecticut 2045 Posts
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If Gary thoroughly explains his force on his DVD then Get Flurious if you are looking for the cheaper option or if you are a coin guy because I hear his Flurious routine is awesome.
If you are into cards, mentalism and/or equivoque then you want the Elsdon lecture. I put his Pre-prefiguration routine right into my number 1 set. The force and pre-prefiguration make it worth the download for me but there is a ton more including his version of iBalance with a deck of cards, work on equivoque, etc. Hope that helps... Quote: On Jul 17, 2024, Bob G wrote:
The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge.
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Ed Oschmann Inner circle Lake Worth FL 1038 Posts
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The other advantage of Kurtz' force is that any extraneous sound the card makes, is incorporated into the entire movement ending with a tapping of the selection. It's a swell move. Nobody should be performing the traditional method.
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Bob G Inner circle 2976 Posts
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I'm convinced!
 Thanks, Ed. I just need to decide which disk/download to buy. The main considerations are (1) price, and (2) thoroughness and clarity of explanation of Kurtz's force.
Any thoughts, Kalix and David Paul, or whoever? |
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Kaliix Inner circle Connecticut 2045 Posts
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Well, I'll say this. Elsdon has a bit of a love affair going on with Gary Kurtz and his work. He raves about Kurtz, his work, and about this force particularly. That being the case, he takes his time going over the Kurtz Slip Force in great detail. I just rewatched the explanation and it is a solid 5 minutes on the force, shown from every angle with all the finesse moves that Esldon has explained with it. It is as thorough an explanation of the move as you are likely to receive. Elsdon is also a good time which always helps and his other stuff is good as well.
The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge.
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davidpaul$ Inner circle Georgetown, South Carolina 3130 Posts
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Yes Kurtz thoroughly explains the force on "Let's Get Flurious". That's were I learned it from plus there is so much more.
I guess either as Kaiix suggests, you will learn it and be happy.
Guilt will betray you before technique betrays you!
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Bob G Inner circle 2976 Posts
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I really appreciate you giving me the info I need, Kalix and davidpaul. And thanks, Kalix, for taking the time to watch Eldson's explanation again.
I decided to go with "Flurious" because of the price and because I'm not interested in mentalism or equivoque. Bob |
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