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Bob G Inner circle 2976 Posts 
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Suppose we riffle for the spectator to make a selection. In all the videos I've seen about the Glide, the selection is then cut to the face of the deck, the deck is reassembled, and the face of the deck is shown so that spec. can see the card he chose.
I always find that cut confusing; to me, and probably for some spectators, it isn't obvious that the face card *is* the card that was stopped at. (After all, we often use cuts for the very purpose of confusing spectators!) So I've been trying variations, e. g., showing the top talon immediately before reassembling the deck. So far everything I've thought of is awkward, e. g., displaying upper packet, then, while displaying, squeezing the bottom packet behind the top one into my hand. Thanks for any ideas. Bob |
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NicholasD25 Elite user 416 Posts
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On YouTube, search for Aaron Fisher The Glide. It’s a five or six minute clip which I think you’ll find helpful.
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Bob G Inner circle 2976 Posts
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I watched Fisher's video. I like they way he handles the glide. It seems to me, though, that it would only make sense in certain situations.
I did have an idea, though, for the situation I described in my OP: Magi riffles down deck till spectator says stop, then picks up the packet above where he said stop, and raises *just that packet* to the vertical so spec can see his card. She (magi) then places the packet face down on the table, and finally places the packet still in her hand onto the tabled packet. At this point it should be obvious to the spectator that his card is at the bottom of the pack. At this point there can be a brief delay, where magi is talking, before picking up the deck again. After she does so, showing spec. his card for a second time, she then performs the glide. The reason for the delay is that it would seem odd to table the deck and then immediately pick it up and table it again. What I described is a bit more elaborate than just "cutting the selection to the bottom," but I like that the handling I described makes it crystal clear that the selection is on the bottom. |
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1tepa1 Inner circle 1330 Posts
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You could just have them say stop. Show them their card as you put the other paxket on the table, do the glide after showing the card, put the packet in your hand on top of the packet on the table.
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ThomasJ Inner circle Chicago 1021 Posts
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Hi Bob,
If you're simply switching the card out and need the selection to remain at the bottom, the side glide is cleaner (assuming you're not using a Convincing Control). After the card is shown and switched, table the right hand half. The apparent selection is then placed onto the tabled half and the left hand half is placed on top of all. If you have John Carney's Carneycopia written by Stephen Minch, check out pages 12-13 and page 78 for a solid technique of the side glide. T.J. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21505 Posts
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I guess I don’t know what a glide is because it seems as if it is being made way more complicated than it is.
It seems like everyone is going strong the block to get next door. To me the beauty of the move is its simplicity. One of the gems of card magic that doesn’t have to look like a move.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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ThomasJ Inner circle Chicago 1021 Posts
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Danny,
The glide Bob described is in the context of selecting a card, not merely showing a random card and tabling a different one. The standard glide makes no sense in the former context. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21505 Posts
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Well at least I'm not crazy for THAT reason!
It seems a pretty poor force.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Aus Inner circle Australia 1005 Posts
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Hi Bob
I have a few thoughts, firstly I think there are better tools for the job for what you're trying to remedy here and personally I would simply choose the right tool for the right job. But I suspect this is a creative exercise, so I'll bit the bullet. Using actions of conviction, you can make the process logical. Riffle down the deck until the spectator says stop, break the deck at that point placing the lower half down on the table well changing the hold of the upper half into glide position with the other hand and turning it vertical to show the bottom stopped at card. Once the spectator has remembered the card, turn the pile face down again then perform the glide extracting the spectators supposed card and placing it face down on the table. Well maintaining the glided bottom card take the next card out above the selection and turn it face up showing that if they had stopped one card earlier, they could have stopped on a different card. Take that shown card and place it on top of the glided pile. Now shift the focus onto the tabled bottom half and take the top card showing that if they stopped one card later, they would have stopped on this card instead. Replace that card on top then take the bottom half off the table and place it on top of the top half which positions their selection on the bottom of the deck. Emphasize back to the supposed face down selection sitting on the table by saying that instead this is the card you stopped at, then move onto your trick from there. Magically Aus |
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ThomasJ Inner circle Chicago 1021 Posts
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Aus, I respect the detail you went into, but it all seems unnecessary. Why draw attention to the cards landing before and after their selection? To do so only draws attention to the way in which the card was selected. Focus should be on the significance of the selected card, not how it was chosen. The fairness of choosing a card should be inferred rather than overtly proven. Also, changing grip is glaringly obvious to nonmagicans. Out of curiosity, and this is not sarcasm - are you studying something from the 1970s right now?
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Aus Inner circle Australia 1005 Posts
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On Jul 21, 2024, ThomasJ wrote: Whole intellectual exercise is unnecessary, like I said in my opening sentence of my reply, choose a different tool (slight) that better fits the application. You yourself made the same suggestion (side glide). Bob himself has made an issue of logical action of the slight the primary focus here, and I'm simply giving a suggestion within the confines he has set. As to the merit of my suggestion, it is a psychological ploy that is well documented in Roberto Gobbi's book Sharing Secrets which was published in May 2021. An action of conviction, as the intuitive terms suggests, designates an action, or a sequence of actions, that confirms an assumed reality and convinces the spectator that all is what it seems. The truth however maybe different. Actions of conviction are closely related to actions of apparent continuity, actions of confirmation and punctuation. In terms of how there applied Roberto says it can be both applied explicitly and implicitly and the example he cites in both cases is the very slight we are discussing, the glide. The concept of conviction is also documented in Strong Magic by Darwin Ortiz. So, before you make insulting inferences about my recommendation how about you read a few books and educate yourself. Now in terms of the changing the holding position of the cut off cards from Biddle grip to side grip to facilitate the glid you are right only if done in isolation. However, done in correlation with a transitory action (Sharing Secrets p:58) it is a different story. The shifting focus from the cards in hand to the cards on the table combined with the natural withdrawal of the held packet makes complete sense and makes the action invisible. This concept is also apparent in the everyday world. You're at a party having a drink. The host introduces a new guest. "This is Joan, please say hi." You greet Joan with a handshake. Flashback: You just performed an in-transit action as you transferred your glass from your right hand for the handshake. If you asked a bystander what you just did, she might say, "You shook hands with Joan." But she won't mention the transfer of the glass, and she didn't notice that you gave a half turn in the process. I'm not just looking at this from a logical standpoint, but also a psychological standpoint. Now if all this sounds like a long way for a shortcut, then I refer back to my first sentence, use a better tool. Magically Aus |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21505 Posts
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On Jul 18, 2024, NicholasD25 wrote: He lost me IMMEDIATELY when he licked his finger. Can we PLEASE start a movement to get people to realize this is disgusting and NOT OK? People get VERY angry and use all sorts of excuses for it but they are all nonsense. Who wants to pick a card when you have just spit all over it? I'll help you, NOBODY! He should pontificate less about "breaking up your beats" and things only taking "one moment" and think about not licking his fingers. My GOD how can magicians be so clueless? So this is the move we are talking about? He uses a pretty good force, then recommends a strange control and then this crazy move all to just do a reveal? This is a move that your time would be much better spent by not ever trying to learn it. Learn a throw change. Aus is right. The intellectual exercise is just not necessary at all. I am sure there must be an application for this somewhere. I just can't imagine what it is.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Mb217 Inner circle 9602 Posts
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I have not used the move much, but when I learned it, it was from when I saw Bill Malone use it in Dr. Daley’s Last Trick. He used the move there and I liked it and did it that way for years. It was an easy move to do and worked well in the old trick, casually put. Never had much of a reason to use it in anything else.
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disgruntledpuffin Special user i have nothing to say about my 528 Posts
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Bob G,
I think that some of your choreography issues could be solved by moving away from the riffle as the means of selection. The riffle is not a "choice" of card, it's a way of stopping at a random card. With that in mind, you could explore other ways of stopping at a random card. Maybe overhand shuffle until they say "stop", drop the rest on top, show the card at the face of the deck, then do your glide. Jack |
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Nikodemus Inner circle 1297 Posts
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Picking up on Aus's comment about choosing the right tool for the job - in situations like this, I expect most of us would use a DL, or a Top Change. But I am guessing Bob wants to avoid those.
Jennings Open Control seems like a good alternative. Usually the selection is apparently buried in the deck, whilst actually controlled to the top. It would be only a small modification to remove the "selection" instead of burying it. Going back to Bob's original post - it doesn't make sense to me to show "the spec" a card which you are about to give them anyway. Why not just let them select any card from a face-down spread? It only makes sense to show the rest of the AUDIENCE. Or to look at it yourself (on the basis that it's a trick where it's ok for you to see it). It's important to put these things in context, so your behaviour doesn't seem incongruous. Another detail from the original post - I don't agree that we "use cuts for the very purpose of confusing spectators". The purpose of cutting the deck is to bury cards, randomise the order etc. Not to create confusion. Didn't Dai Vernon say confusion is not magic? But I DO agree the sequence he describes is much too convoluted to seem natural - so thank you, Bob, for starting this interesting discussion. Anyway here is my suggestion for how to use a Glide to switch a spectator's selected card - I would ask them to partially insert a face up card (probably a Joker) anywhere into the deck. Then I would pick up the cards above the inserted card, and display the bottom card of the packet. I think this seems a much fairer selection process than the magician riffling. And I think it legitimises the magician cutting the deck instead of the spectator doing it. If the deck is on the table, you have two free hands, so can use whichever hand and grip you prefer to be in correct position for the Glide. If you are holding the deck in one hand, and need to pick up the top packet with the "wrong" hand, then I would create an excuse to transfer the packet to the other hand. (ie. an Ascanio Transit Action, as mentioned by Aus). I hope this is helpful. |
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ThomasJ Inner circle Chicago 1021 Posts
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Sorry, Aus. I apologize for the silly question and for hastily overlooking the intent of your post. I’m afraid lack of sleep got the best of me last night, and that question was out of character and distasteful.
I understand where you’re coming from regarding the Actions of Conviction, and I am fond of subtle convincers. However, I believe the procedure of showing a card before and after the selection is overproving if it’s during the selection process. I do see the value of the procedure within the context of an ACAAN or coincidence effect though. Giobbi’s example uses the next card as a pointer to implicitly convince the audience that the next card would have been different. The beauty lies in not saying anything about it. Anywho, I agree there are better tools for the job. Cheers |
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GlennLawrence Veteran user Randolph NJ 331 Posts
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On Jul 21, 2024, Dannydoyle wrote: Agree, that is SO GROSS! How do people not realize this? |
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Nikodemus Inner circle 1297 Posts
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On Jul 24, 2024, GlennLawrence wrote: Some of us suffer from dry hands. In day-to-day life, there are many situations I need to lick my fingers to get a grip. EG. Opening a flat plastic bag in a supermarket. Nevertheless, If I was a professional magician, like Aaron Fisher, I would find an alternative solution. |
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1tepa1 Inner circle 1330 Posts
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Finger licking is a no no, especially now after covid it should be extra no no. This includes things like card to mouth also etc because its the same, if you do either the folded card to mouth or the one where you just hold the card in between your lips by its corner, its the same thing. Saliva will get on the folded card (and also in the usual version of this effect you put the whole short side of the deck into your mouth to load the folded card) and you unfold the card with your hands so saliva will get on your hands.
Dani Daortiz has the worst thing. I honestly don't know if he still does this after covid but I hope not. But he literally has the four spectators with him suck on their fingers and proceeds to then suck on the finger of one of the spectators, even if the spectator sucked on their own finger before that. I admit it was pretty funny when I saw it the first time but its not worth it imo. You have a chance of really crossing some pretty serious boundaries with a spectator if you literally take their finger and shove it down your throat. Especially doing this to a woman, I don't understand how no one has told Dani yet that maybe its not a good idea to do this. Especially in the context where Dani just made a sexual innuendo about the woman, then suckin that womans finger right after, its not okay. Here is an example of Dani doing this: https://youtu.be/Qy6yEHP0yNU?t=2180 |
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Kaliix Inner circle Connecticut 2045 Posts
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In talking about dry hands and separating the invisible deck, this was offered as a suggestion by Mary M. who stated,
"Using Quick sort $ counting tack helped too. A little bit behind your ear allows application to your fingertip a bit before the I. D. and you won't have to have stuff all over your hands for the rest of the show. A little mousse in your hair allows you to run your fingers through your hair to pick up a little traction when needed. I felt like an idiot because everyone else did it so easily. Sometimes it isn't you, it's the equipment." Quote: On Jul 24, 2024, 1tepa1 wrote:
The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge.
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