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Bob G Inner circle 2976 Posts 
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Whew! Lots to think about and respond to here. That's what I get for going out of town for a few days!
For now, let me suggest that we stop talking about licking -- I find it disgusting even to *read* about it. Lots of people in various threads here have suggested hand lotions that mitigate the problem -- the lotion that works depending on the person. I'll be back to respond to some of people's interesting ideas. For now: I like the side glide, ThomasJ, and am getting reasonably good at it. I'm glad to have the reference to Carneycopia. Bob |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21505 Posts
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On Jul 24, 2024, Bob G wrote: Oh let’s not pretend talking about it and calling it out is the problem here. If you don’t want to read about it then don’t. But the behavior is pervasive and won’t go away any time soon unless it is called out. This actually won’t help. Just don’t mention it. I’m sure it will just stop in its own. Sorry Bob but no it won’t.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Bob G Inner circle 2976 Posts
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Nick, thanks for the idea about using the face-up joker instead of a riffle down the pack. I'm going to explore that.
Aus, thanks for the thought experiments. Lots of good thinking I can learn from here. You mentioned "using the right tool for the job." Absolutely -- and I confused the issue in my OP by not explaining what my goal was. I wanted to control the selection to the bottom. So, in the spirit of Nick's post that I just referred to, what tools would you suggest? I've been working the spread cull, and the convincing control is on my list. I thought of the glide control because its easier than the others I just mentioned so that I could use it sooner in a trick I'm working on. Maybe the glide control is less convincing, though... |
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Francois Lagrange Veteran user Paris, France 393 Posts
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Bob, I seem to remember that you tend to perform at a table? In that case, have the deck cut multiple times by a spectator and have them table it. Bring their attention to the fact that nobody knows the bottom card. Pick up the deck to show them the bottom card and while bringing back the deck towards the table perform the glide to extract the "selection". Leave the deck on the table and insert/bury the selection in the middle of it and square it.
It's only sl(e)ightly illogical and a bottom slip cut would probably be better, but it's OK if you can motivate the sequence with a couple of lines. Well performed I have no doubt it'll be deceptive.
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Nikodemus Inner circle 1297 Posts
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Hi Bob,
I just re-read your second post of this thread, with your idea of (1) riffling for spec to select a card (2) showing the card (3) getting card to face of deck (4) putting deck on table (5) a bit of time misdirection (6) picking up the deck again (7) reminding them of their card, and executing the glide. Actually I really like this. You have used lateral thinking to make the handling seem innocent rather than awkward. I saw another thread you started asking about tricks with "built in misdirection", but it seems to e that you can add misdirection when you need to by choreographing the whole effect in this manner. You mention in your latest post that all you really want to do is control a selected card to the bottom. Culling is an obvious candidate, which you mention. But I am confused by this because the Glide does something different. you apparently remove the bottom card - so it is a switch. |
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Bob G Inner circle 2976 Posts
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Thanks, François. Yes, I like to work at a table -- you have a good memory! Your handling is interesting, and I'll think about it and see if I can make it natural for myself. One thing I didn't understand: How would a bottom slip cut help here?
And Nick, I appreciate your rereading my second post, and I'm glad you think it might fly. The control (as described by Daryl in his Encylopedia) works like this: You do indeed make a switch using the glide, so that the selection is still on the bottom. You then bury the seeming selection in the deck, so that the selection seems to be lost. (That's essentially what François described in the post just above this one.) You could even riffle the deck again, and replace the "selection" in the deck at the place where the spectator stopped you. |
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Aus Inner circle Australia 1005 Posts
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On Jul 25, 2024, Bob G wrote: I like the Thumb Switch myself on the second video, something about the subtleness of it grabs me, the first video is very clean and fair as well. Magically Aus |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21505 Posts
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I couldn’t get through all of those.
Was anyone actually fooled by the first one? It was obvious he was throwing it under the cards. The rest I saw were do contrived and “movey” it was painful. And the gratuitous snapping of single cards, ugh. I stunt understand magicians fascination with finding odd ways to handle cards.
Danny Doyle
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1tepa1 Inner circle 1330 Posts
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Lennart Green handles cards in odd ways.Yet laypeople love his act.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21505 Posts
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He doesn’t. He handles them exactly the same throughout the performance. He doesn’t handle them odd in reference to himself. It is always the SAME odd way! So it isn’t odd at all. You’re making my point for me.
Incongruent might be a better word. Magicians handle cards in an incongruent fashion when the need to do a move. Green, within their frame of reference his performance always handles the cards exactly the same. Oddly, but the same fashion.
Danny Doyle
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Bob G Inner circle 2976 Posts
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I appreciate your taking the time to gather these videos, Aus. Delightfully sneaky! I'll have fun working on them.
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Francois Lagrange Veteran user Paris, France 393 Posts
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On Jul 25, 2024, Bob G wrote: Bob, what I meant is that if you were genuinely losing the selection in the deck, the most natural way of doing just that would be to show the card at the bottom of the deck and perform a swing cut to bury it in the deck. But if you wanted to control the selection instead, a bottom slip cut, like a HaLo cut say, would simulate that action perfectly while leaving the selection at the bottom of the deck. Regarding the glide, I thought of this variation that you might like: Riffle the deck, spec says stop. Drop bottom half onto the table and show the bottom card of the top half. Perform the glide (but with a minimal card deplacement) to extract the "selection" that you hold with the right hand. Instead of realigning the glided card, leave it sticking at the back and deposit the top half onto the tabled packet and pick-up the whole deck that you manoeuvre in dealing position. The injog on the inner edge won't be seen. Place the "selection" on top of the recombined deck, cut at the injogged card to bring it to the top or the bottom as desired. I'm assuming that you perform the glide with your left hand.
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1tepa1 Inner circle 1330 Posts
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I have never seen a layperson do a swing cut. For a magician swing cuts are natural but I wonder if they seem odd to laypeople. I have once had a spectator make a comment about the swing cut saying it was a strange way to cut the cards.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21505 Posts
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On Jul 26, 2024, 1tepa1 wrote: Now you’re getting it. There is a balance. Some say that you should handle cards no better than your neighbor. But nobody is going to pay a lot of money to see their neighbor handle cards. You need to look comfortable with them, but the odd moves are dead giveaway.
Danny Doyle
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Bob G Inner circle 2976 Posts
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Wow, François, I really like your first paragraph (on pretend-burying the bottom card using a bottom slip cut).
I'm also excited about your second paragraph. I want to make sure I understand it; would you mind reading my description and checking it?: I assume we're holding the deck in the left hand, and thumb-riffling down the deck. When we're told to stop, we raise the upper packet in the right hand and raise it to vertical so spectator can see the bottom card of that packet. Meanwhile we use the left hand to table the lower packet. I guess we now transfer the original upper packet from the RH to the LH, and glide back the bottom card, and then, leaving the bottom card back-jogged, place the LH packet on top of the tabled packet. At this point the spectator thinks that we've buried the selection in the middle of the deck. In reality, though, the selection is the back-jogged card, so we can pick up the deck and cut the deck above or below the jogged card to control it to top or bottom. If I have that right, it's an efficient way to control the card to the top or bottom while seemingly placing it in the middle. It strikes me as more deceptive than gliding the whole deck, removing the "bottom" card, and burying the latter card in the deck. Thanks, Bob |
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Francois Lagrange Veteran user Paris, France 393 Posts
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Hi Bob, yes that right, but if you want to make it more economical: hold the deck face-up in left hand in dealing grip. Look away while you riffle the deck and wait for the spec.'s stop. Put down the bottom half and show the bottom card of top half still in left hand. The thing is that your left hand is already in near perfect position to perform the glide. The rest is as you described.
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Francois Lagrange Veteran user Paris, France 393 Posts
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When I said, "Put down the bottom half", it's actually physically the top half of the face-up deck held in left-hand. Always the notions of bottom and top of deck trip me up.
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Bob G Inner circle 2976 Posts
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Thanks, François, I'll play with this.
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