I am going out on a limb here but to me, and ONLY speaking for me, this was casual, it was deceptive and flowed nice and CAUGHT me the first time. I wouldn't do it every time, but again it was cool to see. Thank you for posting it.

Brav.. and or O!

As an aside I'd like to put this out there as well.

I was taught only by workers. (Not a bad or a good thing, just giving perspective.) It was absolutely POUNDED into my head that "the move is for when the misdirection fails". Meaning that almost no move should be done while they are burning the deck. As Magicfish said engage them.

The distinction that the move is not great for the camera is a very good point.

I almost never do moves under fire. Why would you? It is a very good point.

Danny is correct here. Nobody should be looking when this move is executed. Also, my short video is quick and slick with lots of noise. I can promise you that LJ did this softly, smoothly, slowly, silently...naturally- while in transition. Vernon would've insisted.
This f'orce is not in my arsenal, but is worth study. Thank-you for getting me to look it up, Bob. What a great book.

Hi magicfish,


Thanks for your kindness in making this video. Because I've read and practiced the move, I wasn't fooled -- but I think I would have been without that prior preparation. Still, your video makes me think this one would be risky for me: I've seen the lovely fluidity of your hands in other videos you've posted, so the very fact that I could see what was happening makes me think I'd have trouble making this one convincing.


For the trick I'm working on, I figured out that I didn't need a force; a glimpse and a control were sufficient. But I'm still intrigued by the slip force and will continue to try different variations that people have suggested here.


Glad to have made you aware of the Kaufman/Jennings book! Kaufman's love of Jennings and his work really shines out from it.


Bob

I like the fact that there is no shuffle or cut prior to the move.

YES!

Also, along those lines, there is no repositioning of hands either. It all leads to that natural look and flow. It gives them no point to "backtrack" to in order to figure things out.

Bob. As I said, this is not a move to be stared at by human eyes. I wasn't around to see Jennings do it, but imagine have someone to your right say stop. The dribble is stopped (fairly) and the actual selection right jogged.
Now the body turns to the left to show the selection to someone else to your left. The back of the right hand now faces the audience. As you ask the person to the left their name, (or any other pertinent engagement)the right hand "turns over" the selection as you say, I'll show you Lisa's card because I want you to think of a card that is a different colour" (or whatever motivation fits).
This is not a sleight to stand up to close scrutiny- but a simple effective tool when used correctly.
I think it would be great while walking from one side of the room to the other. Anyway.

Good luck with your slip f'rce.
Bruce Cervon published an interesting one handed slip f'rce to the table top.

Thanks, magicfish, for this additional info. I'll see if I can find Cervon's method.


Bob

So in other words youre a creep.

Sure the same way as thousands of comics were when they would go into the bathroom stall after the set to hear what people are saying about their act. Or would leave the recorder in the back of the room as immortalized in a Seinfeld episode. Yea creep like that. Has been done way before I came along, but sure you say creep so it is.

Been done by MANY bar magicians, but sure creep because you say so

Danny, don't you realize that is the old skool way of learning if your magic is any good? Now all you need is social media and the comment section.

I keep forgetting.

Bruce Cervon “Flip Over Force” is in Genii, Vol. 36 No. 5, May 1972, p. 229.

I believe also in Cervon File and in either of Swain's 21st Century Card Magic or Miracles with Cards. Both great books.

Much appreciated, korttihai and magicfish.


Bob