On Aug 31, 2024, Dannydoyle wrote:
You don’t believe those are magicians?

The guy takes a deck of cards out if his pocket. Bicycles cards are not easy to get in Spain, not as common as in America. Most “civilians” don’t use them.

On Aug 31, 2024, curtiswallen wrote:
In response to supremefiction asking for thoughts/ideas...

I think for the more relaxed DaOrtiz style, the key is getting the cards out of your hands basically as fast as possible, to create maximum distance between the calling of the number and you picking the cards back up for the count. Some people will even say the number was called while the deck was sitting on the table.

In the DaOrtiz example, by the time most people process the number "27" he's already calculated the number of cards to move, sight counted, and shifted the cards. Then he spreads the deck a little as a gesture and drops it sloppily on the table while he pretends to think. That paints a very clear image of the cards sloppy on the table, far away from the magician, as he's thinking out loud "hmmm what card is 27? I'm not sure. maybe? yes! it's this one." So for the spectator, when the card is named the deck is in the middle of the table, then the magician very fairly picks it up and counts down to the card. I'd bet most people are expecting the move after the cards are picked up again, because how could he POSSIBLY have put the card in position when the deck is so far away.

For a more Darwin Ortiz-esque style of being a card master, always in control at all times, you could afford to slow down and deliver some patter to give you time to execute a pinky-count/buckle and shift invisibly, then count down without the cards ever leaving your hands.

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A thought that just occurred to me that could work for a sloppy/relaxed style approach (probably stealing it from somewhere I don't remember, so if anyone knows please let me know)...

1) Ribbon spread the cards on the table to "memorize the deck," then flip over the spread and leave the cards on the table.
2) Have a position named.
3) Repeat the position out loud and ask the person if they're happy with that position? "27. You really can choose any number. Are you happy with 27?"
While you deliver the patter, scoop the cards up off the table, but "accidentally" forget the number you need to shift on the table. Only look at the cards long enough to sight the ones you need to leave on the table.
4) Pick the cards up you "forgot" and put them on top, or slap the deck onto the left over cards on the table if they need to go onto the bottom, and leave the deck openly on the table away from you.
5) Then do whatever you want to conjure the memory of the card in that position and do the reveal.

Glance at the cards long enough to get the count of the cards you need to leave behind, but then you should be able to do the pick up without even looking. That also gives cover for "forgetting" a few cards, because you were looking at the spectator, not at the cards. And if you do the action naturally and fluidly, even someone burning you will think you forgot the bottom cards then put them back on the bottom, or top on top. If you take out some cards now and try it, I think it's honestly pretty deceptive. The cards change from top to bottom, but look like they end up where they were supposed to be.

On Aug 31, 2024, supremefiction wrote:

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On Aug 31, 2024, Dannydoyle wrote:
You don’t believe those are magicians?

The guy takes a deck of cards out if his pocket. Bicycles cards are not easy to get in Spain, not as common as in America. Most “civilians” don’t use them.

You must be a blast to hang out with.

On Sep 1, 2024, Dannydoyle wrote:
Absolutely how they perceive the effect is paramount.

Which is where he is VERY strong. The perception is he does nothing, and he doesn't even care what YOU do with the cards. This type of thing is incredibly strong misdirection and keeps people from successful backtracking. Heck they probably don't even TRY backtracking!

In the end that style looks pretty darn close to "magic".

I am not a fan of the way the personality of Tamriz has been duplicated by so many. (I was never a fan of that style to begin with.)