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1. Get a dice.
2. Roll the dice.
3. Count off the number of cards on the dice.
4. Repeat until break time. (Before tension builds.)

That's it. If you get good and want more challenge, add another dice.
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Great idea.
Pinky count - a very useful tool. I use it for many effects. Darwin Ortiz was a true master of pinky count.
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I can get the five I need for Hitchcock Aces. That was my goal and the reason I learned this technique years ago. But I use it all the time for doubles and triples. I agree with everything Darwin said about this technique and how it cleans up your card magic.
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The most I need in any effect I do is four (I won't say for what in an open forum), but it sure beats other ways of securing those four.
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Jeremy Griffith has a video of David Malek who claims the pinky count is the most valuable move in card magic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmH3TKFHi2M
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If I recall correctly, Aaron Fisher made a comment that it’s impossible to do the pinky count without tension and recommends against it.
Just food for thought….. I still love and use the pinky count, but I’m also a huge fan of Ortiz!????
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If I recall correctly, Aaron Fisher made a comment that it’s impossible to do the pinky count without tension and recommends against it.
Just food for thought….. I still love and use the pinky count, but I’m also a huge fan of Ortiz!????



I've heard someone else say the same. All I can say is that I find it imminently valuable for my purposes and many of my "magic heroes" did too.
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I tend to think that Aaron is correct. However, with practice, the hand muscles develop which helps to hide the tension. At one point, I got up to fourteen cards, mainly to develop the muscles involved.
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Jeremy Griffith has a video of David Malek who claims the pinky count is the most valuable move in card magic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmH3TKFHi2M


I guess it depends on the effect you perform on a regular basis.
As mainly a close-up performer, I rarely used the pinky count.
Thumb counts from top of deck, top changes, false cuts, passes, DL's rule my roost.
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On Feb 18, 2026, Tom G wrote:
Jeremy Griffith has a video of David Malek who claims the pinky count is the most valuable move in card magic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmH3TKFHi2M


I guess it depends on the effect you perform on a regular basis.
As mainly a close-up performer, I rarely used the pinky count.
Thumb counts from top of deck, top changes, false cuts, passes, DL's rule my roost.


Yea it is a bold claim. I guess he does say "one of the most" in his video, while the title says THE most.

In 35 years of working most nights, I have never used a pinky count or said to myself "oh maybe I should learn the pinky count".

Mind you all that means is for MY applications it is not useful at all. For others, it is the best move possible.
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Just curious, David: How do you avoid exposing your thumb counts?

Thanks...
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Just curious, David: How do you avoid exposing your thumb counts?

Thanks...


Don't look at the cards and engage the audience. If people are looking at what your thumb is doing there is an issue.
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There's a routine I do where a thumb count happens as the deck is turned over. The turning over has a reason in the routine. So in that spot in that routine the thumb count is best.
For the pinky count it's when I need to get them ready while the other hand is doing something.

There are lots of covers for both. It's just whatever fits into whatever needs to be happening to advance the plot.
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Just curious, David: How do you avoid exposing your thumb counts?

Thanks...


I agree with what Danny Doyle and critter posted plus you can execute a thumb count very subtly with practice. (No noticeable movement) I also sometimes just drop my hand to my side casually for a split second to execute the get ready.

I would execute the Larry Jennings Snap Double for fun which helped with the thumb count without the snap.
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Thanks, folks -- these ideas about the thumb count are very helpful.
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If you're feeling adventurous, you could try learning, practising and performing this beauty of a routine by my friend Doug Conn:



This rotuine with give your pinky count and pass a thorough workout!

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He does a heck of a pass with a very small number of cards. That isn't easy.
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Doug Conn is great.
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Yes, he's a magic mensh for sure. "Coincidice" is one of my favourite routines using cards and dice. Ad, yeah, his pass is smooth. What I love about this routine is that the dice and cup provide ample cover for a very bad pass, so you can perform it as you improve your technique.
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That is good. Entire books have been written on covering the pass Smile

I think Doug Conn, Michael Vincent, and Rick Holcombe have the best YouTube magic channels. I wish someone could put all of the old Magic Book Club content up on there. The world needs more Ricky Smith and Mahdi Gilbert.
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