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MagicByVincent Veteran user Staten Island, New York 347 Posts
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In the market for a STC style coin. I'm curious to know what everyone thinks the best STC stye gimmick out there is. The one I have now the first slides off great but the other 2 get super stuck. is this a problem across the board? or are there ones at there that don't have this problem?
Magic is all around us we just have to be willing to see it.
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inigmntoya Inner circle DC area native, now in Atlanta 2455 Posts
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It can be a problem.
People have addressed the issue by using chapstick, clear packing tape, clear Teflon tape, mouse tape, etc. Search the group for those terms and you'll find that and likely other suggestions. |
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MagicByVincent Veteran user Staten Island, New York 347 Posts
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Thanks so much, I definitely will. But I’m also in the market for a new set so I’m trying to figure out what the best is. Wondering if there’s a consensus on what the best is or if there’s a handful of different opinions on what the best is and what people like about some and dislike about others. That way I can try to make the best informed decision about which one I pick to get next.
Magic is all around us we just have to be willing to see it.
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inigmntoya Inner circle DC area native, now in Atlanta 2455 Posts
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"Best" is relative to your needs and the types of routines you want to perform.
There's simply too many options out there to name just one. Do you have a particular coin size or type in mind? Morgan Dollar? Half dollar? Real or replica? Poker chips? "Double face" needed? Something with 3 different types/colors? |
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MagicByVincent Veteran user Staten Island, New York 347 Posts
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Definitely dollar size. Beyond that, I’m not married to anything specific. The routine I’ve been doing with the set I have is very simple and basic, but I’m interested in developing a stronger routine, so I’m really open to anything.
The set I currently have was something I bought secondhand at a good price just to see if this was something I’d enjoy using and be interested in devoting time to. It’s a replica Morgan set with stickers on the backs that are meant to look like Morgans. At the time, not really knowing much about the gimmick or what kind of routine I’d eventually develop, I liked that idea. Not so much because I planned to show the backs, but more because I was worried about accidentally flashing something, and I felt like that setup gave me a little more cover than some of the other options I had seen. However, I’ve since come to realize a few things: 1. The Morgan-style stickers didn’t fit perfectly and hung over the edge slightly, which really annoyed me. 2. The Morgan-style stickers don’t really seem necessary. 3. The stickers slid well against each other at first, but the more I worked with them, the more they started sticking. After doing some research, I ordered some replacement Teflon stickers for another set. I’m planning to remove the Morgan stickers and replace them with the Teflon ones, and I’m hoping that’ll be a workable solution for now. As far as getting a new set goes, I’m curious and open to pretty much anything in dollar size. I’m not sure whether double-faced is necessary, or whether I should be looking at three different coin types or colors. I’m also very interested in recommendations for resources to learn more routines and moves with this really cool gimmick. At this point, I’d say I’m looking for the best quality possible. I tend to like the look and feel of Morgans, but I’m definitely open to other options as well. I’m fine with replicas for Morgan sets since there’s usually a significant price difference, though I’d probably prefer real coins if they’re Ikes. I definitely prefer coins over poker chips. Since I’m still not exactly sure which routines I’ll ultimately gravitate toward, I think versatility is probably pretty important for now. Magic is all around us we just have to be willing to see it.
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countrymaven Inner circle 1737 Posts
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The whole teflon argument should be dead. The best STC, on of the best gimmicked coins ever, is the Johnny Wong STC.
The secret I found is to lube the chinese stickers regularly with Vaseline. Not chap stick, that will make them stick worse. If you do this regularly, you might not need to replace the stickers and will find they handle much, much better. So with a Wong STC, you can do a Morgan routine without showing the Chinese side of the coins, if you want, or you can put them in a routine. |
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MagicByVincent Veteran user Staten Island, New York 347 Posts
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Thanks for your input as well. I’m definitely looking to learn more about the triple coin gimmick, so any and all input, information, opinions, thoughts, ideas, or recommendations are appreciated.
I was looking at the Johnny Wong STC, and there seem to be a number of different versions: the “Double Face Top Deluxe Edition STC,” the “Super Version Double Face STC,” the “Double Face STC,” the standard STC, etc. I can’t really tell the differences between them or what makes one better than another, and I’m not sure which version is generally considered the best. Also, you mentioned that “the whole Teflon argument should be dead” and I’d actually be really interested to hear your thoughts on that. Since I’m still very new to this gimmick (and I just ordered Teflon stickers), I’m curious why you feel that way and what the general consensus seems to be. Magic is all around us we just have to be willing to see it.
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GJo Special user 602 Posts
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STC gimmicks are a waste of money.
Your best option is a triple split coin like Gregory Wilson’s Split Focus gaff, or a thin-thin Morgan split coin gaff from Mark Mason plus a regular Morgan. Let go of stickered split coins. Their handling is too inconsistent to waste one’s time and money. |
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inigmntoya Inner circle DC area native, now in Atlanta 2455 Posts
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Quote:
On May 19, 2026, GJo wrote: Huh? Split Focus *is* an STC (style) gimmick. STC = Super Triple Coin, originally made by Johnny Wong. The DFSTC (double faced STC) is what introduced stickers to the genre. Quote:
or a thin-thin Morgan split coin gaff from Mark Mason plus a regular Morgan. |
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countrymaven Inner circle 1737 Posts
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Despite what Gjo said above, I have been using the Wong DOUBLE faced super triple coin and solved the movement problem. You can spend a lot more for coins that don't work as well or are messed up from others.
Double faced usually means the standard Wong double faced STC. Metal Morgan coin on one side of the coins, Chinese coin stickers on the other side. It took me forever to discover that a light coating of Vaseline is invisible on the Chinese stickers, and if you put it on regularly like after 4-5 performances (put on lightly- surprisingly it is invsible). Very easy to do. This will keep the coins moving smoothly and will prevent wear on the Chinese coins. I discovered this, to my surprise. So what I meant by "teflon is dead" is, you can let stickers replace teflon if you regularly put Vaseline on each Chinese coin sticker. I never expected this to make the stickers last in perpetuity! |
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GJo Special user 602 Posts
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From the description in the original post it seemed DFSTC was what was being discussed. My mistake for not having the STC/DFSTC nomenclature correct.
Applying vaseline to a sticker is a non-starter for me. It will rub off in your pocket, or in your coin purse, or anywhere else you keep the coins before they’re pulled out for performing. Vaseline will attract lint, dust, hair or myriad environmental detritus. The best option is ultra low friction, clear PTFE tape, if you can find it (it’s expensive). I can’t think of a single reason to own a DFSTC coin other than gaff collecting. The triple split coins with one-sided teflon tape gaffs from Gregory Wilson or Roy Kueppers work well. |
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GJo Special user 602 Posts
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Optically clear FEP film tape
https://cshyde.com/item/tapes-with-psa/f......-fep-1-5 |
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countrymaven Inner circle 1737 Posts
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Gjo, I thought Vaseline would attract tons of dirt, etc too. But try it. the coins, in the pocket are sealed and held in line with each other. Just a light rub of vaseline, and the coins move so well. Never had any problem with dirt, lint or greasy pockets. But it is ok. It is surprising how shocked people are, when you do a DF STC routine, only with Morgans, and suddenly turn them into Chinese coins and back. I am a pro and can understand how often amateurs will think the advice of a pro is foolish, without trying it. I would have thought the same thing, before discovering this. Also, it is nice to let people handle a regular Morgan, and to switch it out subtly, just before doing a routine with an STC coin. Plays well. Wish you all the best!!
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GJo Special user 602 Posts
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As a working pro, you should try FEP tape. Dry, permanent solution.
No petroleum oil transferring to hands and then to playing cards. FEP tape was recommended (and used) by a working pro. Why, though, should a coin gaff need tweaking to work properly? Seems like the gaff needs improving so it works perfectly every time without modification. |
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inigmntoya Inner circle DC area native, now in Atlanta 2455 Posts
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On May 26, 2026, GJo wrote: I think that depends on the definition of "properly". I don't think every DFSTC user has had sticking issues. It may come down to variations in manufacture, technique or hand/finger strength. Or among brands - variation in magnet strength. Magicians are constantly tweaking things to better suit their needs and applications, and there's almost always a trade-off involved with coin gaffs. I'm sure for many the ability to change all of the coins to something that looks quite different is worth the trade-offs that come with it. There is no "perfect", and to get really close often pushes the price-point beyond what can sell commercially in an already small market. |
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GJo Special user 602 Posts
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There are plenty of posts in the Cafe forums about sticking coin gaffs, which makes me believe there are more folks experiencing the problem who don’t post in forums.
Fortunately, solutions have been proffered here many times over the years. I do think people that ask questions about STC or DFSTC or any other stickered gaff coin variant should know the potential pitfalls and fixes before spending their money. |
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Rizzo Inner circle East Coast 3448 Posts
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I love the STC sets and have successfully used for many years now.
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GJo Special user 602 Posts
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STC coins don’t have nearly the same sticking problem as DFSTC coins with their face-to-face stickers.
My coins that had problems were DFSTC. |
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