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vernal
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Any thoughts on when to use a flourish (coin roll, swivel pivot, etc.)? At the beginning of a set to show you know your stuff, after a trick or two while setting up the next routine, never?
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That really depends on your performing persona and the context of the routine.

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The only time I tend to use a flourish of coins is when I am in a small setting. I do not mind that one or two people see a coin roll, flourish, or the like, but typically if performing for more than a few (1-3)people I do not use them. Flourishes can sometimes take away from the effect that you are trying to communicate.

Ultimately I suppose the performer should decide what he is trying to communicate.
1. I have very good manipulation/flourishing skills.
2. I have a routine I want you to follow and enjoy... not to say that it can't be done with a flourish, but I try not to mix the two.
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I use flourishes like coin roll or 4 coin roll down to downs star to get attention and to test who might want to see magic when amongst strangers. eg on a longer train journey I might practice my flourishes and if I realise that someone keeps peeking at me, smile at them and do a little pantomime quick trick etc. Use it to get people interested/curious about your hands and your coins.
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Almost never when performing. Sometimes when watching TV.
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Whenever you want to get someone's attention or look cool. Smile
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If you can manage a coin roll while concealing 1 or more coins, it implies an empty hand. It can also make for good misdirection if you other hand is doing something. Other than that it is just a cool looking thing to do.
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I mainly do card work, but I think this applies to all types of flourishes. I do flourishes just whenever I'm out and have a deck of cards. Someone usually says something like, "Wow, you're good," or, "Show me a magic trick," or, "How long did it take to learn that."
I like to use flourishes to get people to come up and ask ME to see magic rather than me go over and ask THEM. When you ask someone if they want to see magic, sometimes they say yes to be polite, and it makes you look kind of pathetic, but when you can use flourishes before you even perform to get an audience, they already know that they are in for something interesting.

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Flourishes give the impression of skill. I use them right after an effect accomplished through the use of a gimmick.

Try this some time: roll the first coin in your shelled coins across. Listen to the audience later.

People think foulrishes are difficult. Thus, another good time would be when you're holding out in the same hand as the flourishing hand.
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Not to nitpick a master, but "the IMPRESSION of skill"? I'm a newbie to coins, but my tapes have Ammar and Carney doing a roll-out, granted not for any purpose - were they just showing off (which I allow as a real possibility)? I think that bugger is hard to do.
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About a year ago when I was starting out with coins I tried a 4 coin roll down ... I gave up fairly quickly thinking this is the most flipping difficult thing in the world that I'll never be able to do and proceded to learn something else. Today I think a 4 coin roll down to a 4 coin Downs star is... well something to do when you're bored or when you're watching TV... None of coin magic is easy, you'll have to put up with it for the reward will surely come once you mastered it.
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I use coin rolls for misdirection.
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Chris hit it on the head for me....

I use it as a form of misdirection at times. Not commonly, but sometimes.
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On 2004-08-04 21:27, vernal wrote:
Not to nitpick a master, but "the IMPRESSION of skill"? I'm a newbie to coins, but my tapes have Ammar and Carney doing a roll-out, granted not for any purpose - were they just showing off (which I allow as a real possibility)? I think that bugger is hard to do.


It IS hard to learn, but once you get it, it just continually falls into place.
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Vern--

Just because something gives the impression of skill that does not mean it's easy. Sometimes, the impression is, well, accurate.

However, there are many harder things one might do with coins that appear (to the audience) to have nothing at all to do with skill. It just looks like magic. See, for instance, Kainoa's "Beijing Trio".

If your goal is to convince the audience that you are skillful, there are two ways to do this: 1) Actually be skillful, AND do something that shows it, or 2) do something that appears skillful, but isn't. In the context of this discussion, either one works.

I have no intention of belittling the dedication required to master something like the four coin roll out. But I can tell you I've spent more time searching for valid reasons to do the move than I did in learning it.
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I'll stick the the premise that unless you are supposed to be possesed by some sort of juggler, why fuss with the props.

Could be quite a moment... a surprise channeling experience.
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I almost never use flourishes because I don't want to advertise the fact that I "manipulate" objects. I don't want to provide the audience any explanation for the magic, even something as general as "he somehow manipulated the coins" (they may reach that conclusion anyway, but why foster it?) There's one exception. I do perform a four coin roll out, only because it's the best method I've found for concealing the fact that I'm hiding an extra coin and at the same time it permits me to use a humorous remark that works perfectly at a particular point in the routine.
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