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E-Leoni Veteran user USA 358 Posts |
I've made this baby of a jewel case.
I've presented it a few times. I don't get that big of a reaction. I'm probably doing something wrong with this or maybe it is inherently something in the concept that no one wants to be a loser. If you know "Fakir Royal" you know what I'm talking about. Essentialy 8 people lose and you win the money. Any suggestions would be appreciated . I love the principle of this , and the concept. If anyone can help, I would appreciate it. I love almost all of Mr. Blooms thinking. "Fakir Royal" is a nice piece, I want to make it work. Has anyone done this effect ? E-Leoni. |
Philemon Vanderbeck Inner circle Seattle, WA 4694 Posts |
It basically suffers the same problem that all "Bank Night" presentations have; that the performer winds up looking smug and the spectators feel they got cheated out of a prize.
I'm not familiar with Bloom's exact routine, but is it possible to reverse this somehow? With all the spectators winning and the mentalist being the only one that loses?
Professor Philemon Vanderbeck
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Julien Regular user 108 Posts |
Well, EVERYONE gets a prize
you just get THE BIG one... of course you could still follow an alternative resentation... |
Scott Cram Inner circle 2678 Posts |
When I saw Bloom do his "Lucky Charm Box" recently, he had in interesting twist on the usual bank night presentation.
The Lucky Charm Box, for those who don't know, is a box with strings running from top to bottom, all connected to empty paper clips, except for one, with money attached to it. You can't tell which strings are connected to which prizes until you pull the string. Instead of showing that nobody else could get the prize, he kept saying, "I know there's 8 strings here, but strangely, the odds are only in 3 of getting the prize! I'll show you what I mean." Sure enough, every 3rd person (like clockwork) that pulls the string selected the dollar! |
E-Leoni Veteran user USA 358 Posts |
Thank you Philemon. Yes it is possible to reverse it. Maybe along the lines of everyone gets a "get out of jail" card or trinket, and I'm the only one left with the speeding ticket or a bill for the whole event, something, I don't know. I think you are right though, I hate it when the performer comes out looking smug.
The way I was presenting "Fakir Royal" was that I tell the audience I'm able through persuasive talking and power of suggestion to make the volunteers second guess their decisions or question them. Along the lines of how the media and comercials influence us. I was going to influence 8 people to not pick the right one . The introduction to it also include ...not only do you have to think where it is, but where would I have hid it. Each peg is labled A, B, C, etc all the way to I. I think this might just be the case of a great technique that only a performer can appreciate. Scott I don't think we are talking about the same effect right ? The one I'm talking about is the box with 8 pegs sticking out of it. In this one you can only have one winner. E-Leoni. |
Andy Leviss Inner circle NYC 1179 Posts |
I think part of it is that, while the box looks fairly "above board", it still screams gimmick. I would wager that if you used the same routine with a standard bank night method, it'd be more effective.
I also saw Gaetan's "Lucky Charms" thing, and frankly I felt it looked even more ridiculously like a gimmicked prop than "Fakir Royal". I love a lot of Gaetan's ideas, but these two aren't among his best as far as actual performance material.
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Lee Marelli Special user Aurora, Colorado 876 Posts |
I agree with those who say it looks like a magic prop, Enrico. I go with the school that says if it looks like a magic prop to the audience you are not doing mentalism.
Ask yourself, where in the real world would people see or use such a device? If the answer is nowhere, then sell it at the next magic fleamarket you attend.
"Mentalism is a state of mind." Marelli
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Paul Inner circle A good lecturer at your service! 4409 Posts |
I've always thought the best "Just Chance"/"Bank Nite" routines are the ones simply using envelopes. And it is always better if you can, to take the "sting" out of the climax.
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Fon Regular user London, UK 200 Posts |
Just a thought,
If the prize is somthing of yours, (Your watch that you tell them before is so valued to you) then if you win, everyone is level and no one feels cheated. Further more, the audiance feel your "sympathy" at nrealy loosing a item close to you. Fon
Always thinking..........?
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E-Leoni Veteran user USA 358 Posts |
thank you Lee, Paul, Andy,and Fon,. It does look like a prop. I guess this was just one of those things were I just fell in love with the method.
I don't thinkg I'm going to sell it. I made it with my hands, and a lot of love. Each hole has a brass ringlet, the removable pins are NOT nails, they're wooden pegs with small antique handles. It just looks beautifull, unfortunatly I'm going to retire it. I just tried it 3 times...small venues. THe watch thing, Fon you mentioned is duable too....Actually I don't know if you know the method but it is perfect...to let a watch dangle from one of the pegs. Who knows maybe if I ever need to gamble a CEO's watch ....naaa. Thank you all. E-Leoni. |
Hal Weaver New user 56 Posts |
Friends,
Lee Earle has a nice Bank Night with envelopes on one of the Desert Seminar tapes. He wins the money, but everybody else gets a lotto ticket for a possible million or so. Hal |
Necromancer Inner circle Chicago 3076 Posts |
Ted Lesley's Bank Night routine (in Paramiracles) involves putting the fee for that night's performance on the line. After mixing the fee envelope with several other envelopes, the audience chooses one after another -- and each time, the selected envelope is consumed in flame.
Will they burn his fee? That's a lovely piece of suspense. But the one that remains, thank heavens, is the one containing the fee. So the performer, rather than being the one who fleeces his audience of prizes as in other Bank Night iterations, is the underdog who won his money back. Another clever spin to the Bank Night plot is in Parr's Brain Food, where the "winner" is the one person who isn't (symbolically) poisoned at a dinner party given by the Borgias. "Who will live and who will die?" is a great dramatic question, and makes for some terrific theatre. Of course, it's the performer who wins -- but since it's more of a performance piece than a lottery hustle (inherent in most Bank Night versions), and there's no actual prize at stake, it's all taken in good fun.
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