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vaughan54
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Hi everyone,

What sources should I use to find some good card mentalism tricks and effects that really get the best reactions? Which DVDs, videos, books, etc., should I refer to, to get my assortment of mentalism tricks from.
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People will suggest you do a search here at the Café to find tons of information. I don't do a lot of card mentalism, but maybe you should look at Annemann's books and Corinda's 13 Steps to Mentalism.

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I can't agree more with Anabelle. Also try Osterlind's BCS.
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You can try the books above and some Docc Hilford videos from Flora & Vompany. Other books that deal with card and mentalism is "Mental Mysteries" of William Larsen Jr., and any Larry Becker books. Try some stack deck like the ones mentioned above---Osterlind's BCS, Joyal's six-hour memorized deck or Doug Dyment's quick stack.

I hope this help.

P.S. Try to do a search here in the Café. :-]
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I have found that looking at magic books will supply you with a whole load of ideas, especially when it comes to card work.

Also Stacked and Marked decks are a great asset for any mentalist.

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If you are going to use cards, just make sure it appears

ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE

and has as little association to 'card tricks' as possible

1. No flashy moves
2. No 'shuffling'
3. No handling, or as little as possible by you
4. Involves events that do not appear in 'normal' card tricks
5. And even, do not involve cards till the last minute (such as Brainwave)

A good way to do this is to look like your about to start doing a card trick, but before you then go into what people 'expect' from a card trick, you're already off....Radar for instance. People are expecting a 'card trick sequence of events' to take place after they've looked at a card - and you skip the whole thing and start freaking them out. They are not expecting this and it works a treat.

So I guess one of the good things about appearing to START doing a card trick in mentalism is it lulls the audience into expectation and then disrupts that pattern, which is quite powerful.

Oops, no idea where that outburst came from
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Me neither but I liked it.

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"No 'shuffling'". Is that a "law"? In that case Osterlinds BCS out of question. He uses "shuffling" both with jumbo cards and ordinary cards.
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I don't think Bev was saying don't shuffle...probably just saying to emit the part where you say, "watch me shuffle this deck." Followed by a perfect Faro with a dovetail waterfall at the end (is that a move?)

Anyway, you'll notice Osterlind doesn't comment on it. He just does it without a bit of attention drawn to it...a shuffle followed by a few slip cuts. Nothing is ever mentioned about the fact. When people see a deck of cards, most will be watching for a shuffle. They watch even more closely when you tell them you are shuffling.

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Exactly
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Anything using playing cards suggests to me that the performer is a magician. Magicians juggle cards.
Anything amazing is too easily written off as trickery.
But that's just me...
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"Anything using playing cards suggests to me that the performer is a magician"

That's because you associate magic and cards, because you're a magician yourself.

But unless you're performing down the magic club, what does a LAY audience associate with cards?

Card games! Gambling!

As long as you don't say you're a magician, and they don't think you're a magician, why should they suspect magic tricks?
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If you can track down Lewis Ganson's ROUTINED MANIPULATION Vol 2, you'll see how the great Al Koran put together a card routine with his Miracle Blinfold Card Act.

You always learn from a Koran routine, IMO.
Reminds me of the Einstein quote..."Things should be as simple as possible, but no simpler".

Cheers.
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On 2004-08-08 20:23, vaughan54 wrote:
Hi everyone,

What sources should I use to find some good card mentalism tricks and effects that really get the best reactions? Which DVDs, videos, books, etc., should I refer to, to get my assortment of mentalism tricks from.


Memorized-deck work, as some have suggested, can be put to excellent use. The forthcoming Mnemonica should have more than enough material to get you started. But an under-appreciated aspect of card-mentalism is definitely the ability to force a card convincingly and cleanly. The most sure-fire method would be a forcing deck (as used by Derren Brown and others), but a good Classic Force (uppercase letters intentional and deserved) is almost as good. The uses in mentalism are unlimited (almost).
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I like to use Tarot cards instead of regular playing cards. I use something like a memorized deck system that enables me to use both the minor and major arcana cards. (The minor arcana cards are like regular playing cards, and the major arcana cards are the ones like "Death" and "Justice".)

Since the cards have pictures on them, it creates a lot of ways you can get mental "impressions" of the card the user picks. It helps if you can memorize little details about all the images on a standard Rider-Waite deck.
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My effect called OutFoxed gives 5 members of the audience part of a deck .. they shuffle their packets and THINK of a card ... the performer reveals all 5 cards ... no sleight, math, charts, or memory work ...
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On 2004-08-09 07:56, bevbevvybev wrote:
If you are going to use cards, just make sure it appears

ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE

and has as little association to 'card tricks' as possible

1. No flashy moves
2. No 'shuffling'
3. No handling, or as little as possible by you
4. Involves events that do not appear in 'normal' card tricks


Very well said, Bev!

Mentalism with cards is my main thing. During my opening, I explain that magicians doing card tricks (pick a card, any card) do not leave a lasting impression primarily because spectators use the rationale that the trick was accomplished via some kind of sleight-of-hand or manipulation or digital dexterity. And they use that rationale as a type of mental crutch to dismiss away what they just saw.

But the effects I do with cards follow the guidelines you listed, and I make sure that is quite apparent to them. They are all very direct, slowly executed, simple and straightforward. So finding themselves without that mental crutch, they cannot dismiss away what they just saw. What they see me do really bothers them because it seems as you say, to be ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE.

The result is that they DO remember my performances for a very long time! Smile
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The first routine in Rick Maue's Occam's Magic Sampler is titled "Defining The Difference" and its premise is exactly the topic being discussed here.

The patter begins: "Over the years many people have asked me to explain the difference between a magician and a mind reader. Allow me to demonstrate some of the finer points that separate the two."

It continues with a great presentation and stunning effect. The sampler is only $10 and includes other great routines and essays including an excellent card to wallet effect. For the stand-up performer especially, the sampler is definitely worth checking out.
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