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magicinsight Inner circle 4295 Posts |
Johne came up with some interesting ideas about using rocks and stones to create interssting and unsual PK effects. Johne and I were discussing the possibility of using rocks and stones in PK effects utilizing either a m or an ITR device. Either the rock would be split in half and then a m would be inserted into it and then the halves would be held in place by glue or mortar or an ITR device would be used to make the animations.
Jonhe suggested telling the audience that the rock was a volcanic rock tha came from the inner bowels of the earth and had certain natural qualities that would make it move if you were able to tap into its source. Johne also suggested that you can make the effect more macbre if you used a stone and said that the stone was chipped from an old head stone. Has anyone experiemented with using rocks or stones in PK effects? What types of rocks and stones would you recommend using that would allow the clean and easy splitting in two to allow the insertion of a m inside? What would you use to reseal the two halves together? Are there any natural stones that have an iron or metal core that would allow the use of a m without the need to split the rock in half? What type of stones would you recommend on using? Instead of a m, could you use either an ITR device or a thread loop? Thank you very much for your comments. Best regards, MI
“Belief matters more than truth. Every moment, belief in imaginary things alters lives while truth sits unnoticed and waits.”
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jerdunn Inner circle 1735 Posts |
For a thread loop you'd need something light, like pumice (which is volcanic).
Other rocks: I wonder if spectators might assume they have an iron content and you might be using a magnet? Cheers, Jerry |
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ThomasBerger Special user 593 Posts |
"Other rocks: I wonder if spectators might assume they have an iron content and you might be using a magnet? "
I think this is a very good point. To me tho, the biggest problem is that a stone would be out of context in most performance areas. Bringing out a "special" stone to defy the laws of nature is suspicious. Picking one up when out on a walk is less so. It depends on context. As Cassidy writes in Principia..."Plausibility depends on context". Tom |
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DanielLove Loyal user UK 265 Posts |
Thomas makes a good point,
I use a prepared rock with a M whenever I work at an outdoor event, then again the old ITR leaf works just as well, - context really makes all the difference. As for making the rock, go to an old river bed and dig around for something suitable and then bring out the superglue and imagination. |
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magicinsight Inner circle 4295 Posts |
Thank you very much Jerdunn for your recommendation about the Pumice rock. Thomas and Daniel, thank you also for your helpful comments and you both make good points. I live in New York City and there are not too many old River beds that I can go to to dig up a rock...I would be afraid that I might dig up something that does not belong in the Hudson River.
But I think that, if properly orchestrated and set up with sufficient context, a stone or a rock could be introduced to maintain plausibility.JohneE had a good idea about introducing a rock or a stone as coming from an old cemetery or head stone. Perhaps the pumice or other stone or rock could be introduced in the context of the powers that are buried deep within the earth and how people thorughout history have tried to obtain and manipulate these powers. The New Age belief of crystal power and energy is well known. I think that if properly presented in a plausible context and if done with subtley, an animated rock or stone can be a powerful effect. Thank you very much for your comments and I look forward in reading more peoples intersting ideas and comments. Best regards, MI
“Belief matters more than truth. Every moment, belief in imaginary things alters lives while truth sits unnoticed and waits.”
—Hakim, Loreweaver |
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johne Special user 960 Posts |
Why not just have a stooge in the audience...
"Ladies and Gentlemen...would any of you happen to have a rock on your person?" (add joke regarding Hudson River HERE)...Just kiddin of course. The crystal you mention probably comes from the same types of rocks I mentioned in our PMs. You could easily incorporate that into your routine as well. How the rocks themselves can sometimes manage to elicit responses, etc. Just have to wait and see what I get to work with. Daniel's piont was excellent. Picking up a rock while performing outside is nice. |
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magicinsight Inner circle 4295 Posts |
It is so nice that all you country folks have River beds and streams to go to. If I start picking up rocks from New York City streets and start to animate them, what will I do next...pick up a dead pidgeon and make it come back to life? Nevermind, that was done already.
I'm just kidding. Both of Daniel's and JohnE's points are valid and of course if you can do this type of effect seemingly impromptu, more PK power to you. The sealed and healed coke can is a great routine, especially if you just happen to find a crushed coke can on the street. I still beleive that even if not done impromptu it can still be a very strong effect, if done with the proper context and presentation. How plausable is a floating or animated dollar bill? Thank you again for your comments and thoughts. Best regards, MI Best regars
“Belief matters more than truth. Every moment, belief in imaginary things alters lives while truth sits unnoticed and waits.”
—Hakim, Loreweaver |
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johne Special user 960 Posts |
Oh come on MI...you have some nice habitat out there somewhere! LOL. Healed and Sealed is a great opener, by the way ;P
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magicinsight Inner circle 4295 Posts |
Yes, it's known as "Upstate." I think Jimmy Hoffa might know of some nice, natural habitats. I'm working on a new routine, "Healed and Sealed Whiskey Bottle" but that's another story and another River bed.
“Belief matters more than truth. Every moment, belief in imaginary things alters lives while truth sits unnoticed and waits.”
—Hakim, Loreweaver |
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taneous New user 70 Posts |
Rocks and stones have a whole lot of mystery surrounding them. They're often used - with bones - by witch doctors for divination. From that perspective, I think they could fit quite nicely into PK effects. You could have a leather pouch with a couple of stones - and then throw them to do a 'reading'. One stone could move or vibrate 'answering questions' etc.
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magicinsight Inner circle 4295 Posts |
Taneous,
That is an excellent idea and routine! I will definitely give your suggestion more thought. Thank you very much for your terrific idea. Best regards, MI As an after thought, perhaps your idea can be used in conjunction with the effect called, "Idol", where the head of an idol always is found to be pointing to the direction of the selected crystal.
“Belief matters more than truth. Every moment, belief in imaginary things alters lives while truth sits unnoticed and waits.”
—Hakim, Loreweaver |
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jerdunn Inner circle 1735 Posts |
Chazpro (I believe) sells a PK bone; you might check their website.
For a small piece of volcanic rock or pumice, you could talk about Madame Pele, the goddess of volcanoes in Hawaii. Tourists have taken home small pieces of lava rock and reported bad luck -- the "curse of Pele" -- and actually mailed the rocks back to the islands, with the request that they be returned to their natural place in hopes that the curse will be lifted. (This is all true, by the way. I learned about it when I wrote National Geographic's driving guide to Hawaii. I certainly wouldn't take home any lava rocks myself!) You could show the rock and see if Madame Pele makes her presence known... Omigod, the rock is moving! Could be creepy or possibly culturally enlightening! Cheers, Jerry |
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kinesis Inner circle Scotland, surrounded by 2708 Posts |
Why not use rune stones. Make them from clay and paint/engrave the appropriate symbols on them. It's easy to insert a small m or shim into each or some of them. A simple force psychological or otherwise and the spectator focuses on his or her chosen/lucky rune and it starts to move or even stands upright in his/her hand (like micro 5 and coin)
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magicinsight Inner circle 4295 Posts |
Thank you very much Jerdunn and Kinesis for your excellent and thought provoking ideas. The Pele curse theme is quite intriging and like you said it is true and it can be culturally enlightening. And you can animiate it by using a simple thread loop.
I also like the rune stones idea but I need to get more information about how to make rune stones from clay, what type of clay is needed, do you need to bake the clay, etc. I am from New York City so I do not know anything about baking clay or rune stones. If you have any further information, I would appreciate it if you can post it. There are a lot of terrific ideas from people residing in England and Scotland. Could it be the air or the beer? Thanks again for your help and ideas. Best regards, MI
“Belief matters more than truth. Every moment, belief in imaginary things alters lives while truth sits unnoticed and waits.”
—Hakim, Loreweaver |
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kinesis Inner circle Scotland, surrounded by 2708 Posts |
Magicinsight, I found this after a quick search
http://www.sculpey.com/Products/products_poly_granitex.htm You can also find a set of rune symbols here http://www.customwaxnseals.com/designoptions_Runes.html Hope this helps. |
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magicinsight Inner circle 4295 Posts |
Kinesis,
Thank you very, very much for the links. They are extremely helpful. I will keep you informed of any further ideas and routines. Must be the beer! Best regards, Michael
“Belief matters more than truth. Every moment, belief in imaginary things alters lives while truth sits unnoticed and waits.”
—Hakim, Loreweaver |
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kinesis Inner circle Scotland, surrounded by 2708 Posts |
LOL, I liked my own idea so much I might give it a try too. If I do I'll let you know how it goes.
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Roth Inner circle The 18 5090 Posts |
Just like to say I too considered useing stones after a visit to the local occult shop.
Way too difficult to gimmick polished rock. Kinesis is absolutly right.Ended up useing clay. Very innocent and deceptive because the weight of the different stones varies slightly due to the different sizes and shapes a good size magnet is not noticable. |
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Ted Lesley V.I.P. Berlin / Germany 421 Posts |
Hello Friends,
There is a very interesting trick in a book, written by Steven Minch in 1975. The book is titled:"Mind & Matter". and deals with modeling clay (!) The effect looks as follows: "A lump of soft modeling clay or dough is given to an experimenter.He is asked to mold the clay into some distinctive shape or form that he may later recognise as his own creation. If working test conditions the clay form may also be initaled for future identification. The experimenter then places his molded lump of clay into a small wooden lock chest and locks the clay in. The PKer takes the locked chest, places it in an examined paper bag and hangs the bag from a clip on a simple skeleton framed stand so that the bag, chest and clay are completely isolated from all physical forces. The PKer now directs his mind towards the clay form locked securely inside the chest. After several minutes of difficult concentration he asks soeone to remove the bag from the stand, take the box from the bag and hand it to the molder of the clay, who holds the key to the chest. The PKer never goes near the bag or chest. When the experimenter unlocks and opens the chest he finds that, although the lump of clay in the chest is the one he molded, it has changed shape and distorted under the pressure of the PKers thought processes." Now, ladies and gentlemen, figuree this out. It works exactly as I have written it above. Have Fun! Any questions? Feel free to ask! TED LESLEY
Ted Lesley
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mindhunter Inner circle Upstate NY 2280 Posts |
Nice challenge Mr. Lesley...I love those...
(On a side note as far as the Hudson, I live near the start of all the polution, Ft. Edward, NY, and everytime I have to go scuba diving there for work my mouth tastes like I've been sucking on a rusty penny...lol) Bryn
Bryn D. Reynolds, Author of:
"The Safwan Papers" & "The LOGAR Scrolls" Mentalism ebooks - PM any interest. My artwork: https://darkmountainarts.com |
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