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Kevin Ram Special user Travelling through Europe 791 Posts |
After 22 pages the thread has been locked.Probably the longest ever thread and its gonna take something special to beat that.
At least we have had an insight into the reality of card cheating. As Doc is on the road I started this thread so that he can post about card playing on the road and for us to talk about card cheating in general. Q,- I own the forte tapes and although I believe that everything can be put to some use under certain circumstance there was definetly some stuff that was put on the tapes just to fill them up. For example, the one handed hop which I think is from the Buckley book. Any other moves you think put in there as fillers? Thanks
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Craig Krisulevicz Special user Philadelphia, PA 647 Posts |
Why do you think the one-handed hop is filler?
Who is John Galt?
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RiffClown Inner circle Yorktown, Virginia (Previously Germany) 1579 Posts |
I think the record is currently held by This Thread. With 31 Pages and 928 replies, that topic of nonsense will probably keep the record.
Rob "Riff, the Magical Clown" Eubank aka RiffClown
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Kevin Ram Special user Travelling through Europe 791 Posts |
LOL, never new that existed.
Now that will take some beating. Craig, A couple of reasons.1- The angles are terrible.You would need to be in a crew. 2-The finger movement needed to do it.Its very unnatural.
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rawdawg Special user Southern California 686 Posts |
Are you referring to the tabled drag one or the third finger side rotating one?
One time, when I was young, I botched a sleight so bad, Vernon, Marlo & Miller rolled over in their graves. But I didn't see Elmsley, probably because he was behind the others.
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Kevin Ram Special user Travelling through Europe 791 Posts |
Not the tabled drag.Thats a good one.
I will describe it a bit more.He complete's the cut and leaves them offset but shifts packets in the air with one hand.His left side is the worst angle.You see it from the right side when he first executes the move. Im sure its from the buckley book 'Card control' and he has it under the card table artifice section.
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procyonrising Special user New York 698 Posts |
Forte didn't put the really good stuff on the tapes.
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Unknown419 Inner circle 1321 Posts |
Story Time
Once there was two Georgia Skin players playing skin and one of them was playing with a stripper deck. The player who was playing with a stripper would strip his cards to the bottom of the pack in order to win his bet. The other hustler knew this and therefore did the one hand hop that kukram is talking about and placed the hustler's winning cards at the top of the packet in order for him to lose. This ruse went on for a couple of hands until the other hustler realized what was happening therefore he used his an opposite handling and placed his cards at the top of the pack and when the hustler continued doing his one hand hop, he eventually got broke because he was out smarted in the long run. Your Friendly Neighborhood Doc P.S. Kukram whoever told you that I was on the road? I sure didn't and I'm not for all those who may be interested. |
Paul H Inner circle UK South Coast 1135 Posts |
While I think the angles on this are difficult, I still like the idea of this hop, partly because it is easy to do. It probably works quite well with the usual misdirection. I think Steve Forte makes a good point by saying that many of the moves he showcases in this section are bold and tend to be executed only once or twice in a session and only then when its late and players are 'cranky'. I think he also states that this type of cut is made honestly for most of the time before the dishonest move is made. This makes all these shifts etc difficult to spot.
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Kevin Ram Special user Travelling through Europe 791 Posts |
Doc, you said in the other topic that you were typing on your laptop whilst on the road and you havn't got time to type properly.Not anymore I guess.
All moves can be used under certain circumstances but I don't like this one.The angles are bad and as doc said someone was busted using the move. Can you imagine doing this move with a player directly on your left.You cant check if he's looking at you every time you pick up the deck after the cut. Even forte showed you the move from the best angle on the tape. Most will watch at the time of replacing the cut and this move is bold to say the least. This is the type of move where you move and hope knowones noticed. I prefer the hop where one half is dragged over the other one and the cut completed. Dad stevens was supposed to be good at that one.
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Alewishus Inner circle parts unknown 1226 Posts |
I would hope that someone who was putting out a set of tapes entitled Gambling Protection Series would not purposely leave out the best stuff. What would be the point? If you're an expert, give out expert service to the consumer. Why play "hard to get"? After all, it’s not a teaching series of tapes.
Sack subs, ok Ross?
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rawdawg Special user Southern California 686 Posts |
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On 2004-08-12 17:28, kukram wrote: Oh yeah, that one. How about this? During the shift, right hand rotates palm sideways to tap the right side of the deck on the table for a square up. Left hand reaches over to tap on left side of deck, screening the left side. Action is similar to the cover that Vernon employed for the Erdnase One Handed Shift on the "Revelations" video. I'm away from a deck of cards so I don't know if this is workable.
One time, when I was young, I botched a sleight so bad, Vernon, Marlo & Miller rolled over in their graves. But I didn't see Elmsley, probably because he was behind the others.
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Unknown419 Inner circle 1321 Posts |
Alewishus:
I haven’t seen one person that can do all the moves that Steve does on his 4 part GPS and neither can I. Also he made those tapes over 20 years ago, how do you know that he didn’t show you everything he knew at that time? Because Kukram spoke about the move doesn’t mean he’s right? First of all the fact that someone can do such a move with one hand boggles the mind of anyone watching and therefore the move can be done. Also both hands come back with the back end of the hand showing and the spectators can’t see through your hands therefore the move can be accomplished. Ya’ll have this move being demonstrated like a magic move and it’s not. You look for flawless moves and haven’t the slightest idea of how to make that move work. You are quite right if you do that move in the middle of the table that it won’t pass but as you pick up the two packets and bring your arm in toward your body first shielding the view from the players the move will pass. Regarding My Story Kukram I never said that the cheat saw what the guy was doing. The other cheat didn’t know how the guy was doing it so in turn he did a counter play move and played the opposite book. You’ll understand this term later on in life when you’ve advance to playing a book. Signed The Doctor P.S. Kukram ever since I came to this forum I've been typing on this PowerBook G4 laptop. |
Alewishus Inner circle parts unknown 1226 Posts |
My point was that I don't think he left stuff off those tapes, and that I can't see why anyone would think that the 'best stuff' was not on those tapes as per Procyonrising's comment above.
Sack subs, ok Ross?
We miss you asper. |
Unknown419 Inner circle 1321 Posts |
Alewishus
I APOLOGIZE. May you please accept my apology. Doc |
Alewishus Inner circle parts unknown 1226 Posts |
No apology necessary.
Sack subs, ok Ross?
We miss you asper. |
Unknown419 Inner circle 1321 Posts |
When a man is bold enough to tell the world that another man is wrong, he also should be bold enough to apologize to the man he slandered and let the world know that he was wrong.
Since we all are not perfect, especially me, this is why I apologized. Sincerely Doc |
J3 Regular user Texas 170 Posts |
The thing about cnc is that most of the people from theat original thread are already there. doc could you post the url because I cant seem to be able to for some reason.
Nevermind, I got my threads confused, lol. |
Alewishus Inner circle parts unknown 1226 Posts |
Well Doc, then I accept your apology; though I think it was more a matter of clarification than anyone saying another was wrong.
CSM
Sack subs, ok Ross?
We miss you asper. |
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