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That's true, Banachek. I had noticed that, but since I barely know of Sadowitz myself I hadn't given it much thought.

Personally I like Luke and believe he will get better and better. I believe in a little constructive criticism but not plain bashing for the heck of it.
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Those "magicians" sounds like sour grapes to me....
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Malini,

Thank you for the humour it was much appreciated, at least someone got it, took its time.

The advantage of Luke's routine is that it begins as a bank night effect, and then it turns out that he has predicted which spectator will sit where once ascending the stage.

It was really good stuff.

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Jerry Sadowitz had a television series on Channel 5 here in the UK and is not unknown to 'laypeople'. Also, being from Scotland (where - surprise! - the Edinburgh festival takes place) he is probably even better known there.
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Jerry Sadowoitz is probably known best by magicians. He is a top card magician.

I don't think these reviews were the opinions of all the audience. The show went down well when I was there.
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The reason I saw Luke's chair prediction as the best is because it has a twist at the end. He sets it up as one form of prediction (apparently realized by his ability to influence people), but then has an extra kicker because it's the chair prediction in the end.

I realize that makes no sense, but I have typed it quickly and it is great.

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Jerry Sadowitz, whom I reckon is one of the most highly skilled magicians of our time, has put an excellent show together.

He knows what entertainment is, and having seen lay people go away day after day from the show talking about what they have just seen, I think they know what entertainment is too.

I have been invited along to the show on a number of occasions, and as far as Luke's act goes, the suggestions have always been successful, the climaxes always obtain gasps, and the conclusions gather huge rounds of applause.

The show has also had many reviews at the other end of the scale. I know for a fact it has received at least one 5-star review, and another 4-star. I will look into posting these later since some of you guys are so interested in criticizing fellow performers.

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P.S. Jerry Sadowitz is not from Scotland. He was, however, brought up here.
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Please post those reviews Colin! Thanks!
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"I will look into posting these later since you some of you guys are so interested in criticizing fellow performers."

No, some of us are interested in getting a fair and balanced appraisal of his act free of hyperbole from his fans but also free of harsh criticism from those who may be jealous.

I trust Shrink's judgment as I know him personally, and I believe we have fairly similar taste - although he is perhaps more easily bored than I am - so I believe the show wasn't as bas as made out in these reviews.

If the reviews I read were by magicians - which is not impossible - then it doesn't really help us. The fact is, however, with so many things going on at the festival, I think it'd be hard for such a show to get an audience that didn't already have a vested interest in magic, so it's going to be tough to get a decent opinion.

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On 2004-08-23 07:14, Colin wrote:
I will look into posting these later since you some of you guys are so interested in criticizing fellow performers.


I don't think there has been any criticism at all in this discussion. Some of the negative reviews of Luke's show have provoked a perfectly reasonable discussion - theorizing about the difficulties of mentalism for younger performers.

I'm sure everyone would be delighted to read some positive reviews and discuss those as well.
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The negatives were not so much in this discussion. I've always felt that the Café is about Magicians helping magicians, or mentalists in this case, as it says at the top of the page. So helpful, well-balanced criticism I don't mind. I'm here to help and be helped.

So far I would say that most of the debates have been fair jealousy, and misplaced emotions shouldn't come in to these discussions, in my opinion.
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From the Evening News tonight...

"The Magic Zone

"Incredible three for one show will kill you...literally


"The Magic Zone, ****
"The Pleasance

"THERE’S three for the price of one with The Magic Zone.

"Jackie McClements warms up the audience with a nice line in patter, and an equally nice line in card tricks.

"Mandy Muden creates a delightful counterpoint, playing on her femininity for laughs, and her sleight-of-hand skills for gasps of astonishment.

"You just never know what’s going to happen next when Muden is on stage, but you can be certain it will border on the chaotic.

"Between them, McClements and Muden have more than enough skill to keep the magic fans - and families - happy. The third act, however, is extraordinary.

"Luke Jermay kills the audience - literally.

"Just for starters, Jermay casually tosses out a deck of cards into the crowd. Several random members of the audience peek into the deck and select one card, which they keep in mind.

"Without again touching the cards, the young Jermay names each of the cards the individuals are merely thinking of. Two of the spectators were thinking of the same card, yet Jermay got that, too.

"There are no magic boxes, no sleight of hand. Just think of a card, and he’ll tell you what it is.

"He unfailingly predicts what chairs certain members of the audience will select, and makes the lines on the palm of a spectator’s hand swirl and change shape.

"Spooky stuff.

"However, his greatest feat is when he slows, then stops his pulse. He then does the same with the audience, with clutches of astonished individuals throughout the venue reporting that the pulse of the person sitting next to them has also stopped. Yet Jermay is nowhere near them at the time.

"This stuff has to be experienced to be believed. Grab a ticket to this show, and see dead people."

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I like to hear of other young mentalists, especially a guy who seems as nice as Luke doing well. It always saddens me when I hear things not going well for them, and him.

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The Evening News review - who was it by? I know the Café's very own Drew MacAdam has a connection with either that paper or the Scotsman. A great review nonetheless, but the use of "peek" and "deck" make me wonder if it's by someone versed in our art.

Not so much the "peek" part I suppose, as I can't think of another term to use to describe that action, but certainly the term "deck" is more often than not used by magicians. Laypeople usually say "pack".

Please note, it's a great review and I'm happy for all concerned, but I really want to hear what some lay people think as that's what this game is all about.

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David, I don't think you will find any lay people in here lad. Smile You need to go see the show in order for that!

I can tell you it did go down well with the audience.

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>David: I don't think you will find any lay people in >here lad

Didn't say you would, but it is possible to find a lay review that counts. At the moment we are discounting negative reviews because it looks like they were written by magicians. So why should a positive review by a magician be given any more credence, especially if the magician is a fan?

I know Colin is a massive fan of Luke's and that he knows Drew. I know Drew either writes for or has a mate who writes for the Evening News/Scotsman, so maybe I'm jumping to conclusions.

>I can tell you it did go down well with the >audience.

Cool, and you know I trust your judgment. However, isn't it likely the audience was predominantly magicians? I recall Max Maven doing the festival a few years ago, and I understand he was lucky if he got six people in his show! And they'd all be magicians! That's the problem with the festival - so many things on so anything like magic is likely to appeal mostly to those with a vested interest.

I know I'm going on about this too much, and I might be coming across as a bit negative, but I really want a few independent lay person views on his performance and they don't seem easy to come by. Let's face it, what you or I or every other member of this board thinks doesn't really matter - it's what the paying customer thinks that matters. Yes, you have paid to see his show, but you know what I mean. A magician cannot live by magician audiences alone!

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David I can assure you there were very little magicians in the audience that day (and I don't mean there was midget magicians). They were lay public, and they enjoyed the show.

When you think about it, why should a lay person review a show? Anyone who reviews anything usually have an emotional or financial investment in doing so. Lay people just move on to the next show. Which is why the only real way for you to get your answer is actually to attend a show!

My opinion is that there are some really strong parts to the show and some not so strong parts. It's an odd mix of acts, but I enjoyed it.
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Shrink, I would actually consider a reporter's viewpoint from a layperson's point of view. I am sure there are boards where people also post (I know I have found reviews of my performances there by laypeople). Also I would consider comments from non-magicians as a layperson's point of view.

Magicians look at these performances from a very different point of view. We all have egos or we would not be in this business, and we all think our idea is the best one and our presentation is the best one. As a result we tend to be overly critical from our point of view on the magic mountain we stand upon. Our point of view is not necessarily the point of view of the paying public and, as is so often the case, very different.

This is exactly why it is good to get the advice of a someone not in our profession when looking for a director. A perfect example of our point of view being different is David Blaine. I hear so many magicians saying his technique is no good and on and on and criticizing him. Yet he is the most talked about and best known magician out there with the laypeople. They could not care if the trick he is doing has been around for centuries. He hits home with the lay home viewers.

It is amazing when working with TV producers, how different and fresh their vision can be from the ones we who are immersed and drowning in the magic world around us have. I think this is why many are asking for non-magician reviews, simply because this type of review is unbiased and has no agenda and no ego involved to slant it.
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>David, I can assure you there were very little >magicians in the audience that day.

Okay, how do you know and how many people were in the audience? I'm genuinely curious. How big a venue was it, how full was it?

>They were lay public, and they enjoyed the show.

Good. Can you elaborate a teensy bit on what went well and what didn't go so well? How did they react, etc.?

>When you think about it, why should a lay person >review a show?

As Banachek says, I would count a newspaper review as a lay review IF the reviewer is not connected to a magician as I suspect the Evening News guy is. And review isn't really what I'm after - honest opinion from lay people.

>Lay people just move on to the next show.

True to an extent but the Internet has opened up doors previously closed and everyone is free to express their opinion somewhere. Seeing that there was a site for such reviews made me think that surely one lay person could have put their thoughts down.

>Which is why the only real way for you to get your >answer is actually to attend a show!

Well, if someone wants to pay my fair from Seville airport I'll more than happily attend! Smile.

We've heard so much from people who think Luke is the best thing ever and people who have doubts about his ability. The people who think he's the best thing ever tend to suggest that the other crowd are jealous.

I'm not jealous. I just didn't like his personality on the DVD and thought he made some fundamental errors. I accept the DVD was two years ago and that he has grown as a performer since then, so I'm now looking for independent reviews to see how he has progressed. More importantly, to see how his effects actually go down with a lay audience as there has also been quite a bit of discussion concerning that.

I'm extremely intrigued that you felt the twisted palm was a highlight of the show for example. I've put myself into laymen's shoes to imagine what they would think on seeing such an effect.

Regards,

David.
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Of course, laymen review shows. You wouldn't say that only actors would write online theatre reviews.

I think it's likely that people tend to review when it's a case of love or hate: either to warn people off wasting money on a poor show, or to get other people to go and see a good show.

You write a review when you feel strongly about what you've seen. That's why reviews are likely to be so polarized.
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