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Peter Loughran V.I.P. Ontario, Canada 2683 Posts |
I will appearing live on a Toronto based Radio station in late September and will be doing about 10-15 minutes spread out with commercials of magic done with listners at home. I have a program already for this type of media, however I would like to expand my techinques in this aspect. Is there any books anyone can recommend for me. Also is there a thread about this subject already? I did a cafe search but it was to vague to direct me to any specific posts regarding this topic.
Thanks, P.
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Glyn Coy New user UK 38 Posts |
Peter
If you haven't already, I would strongly suggest you check out Banachek's Radio Magic CD. It has tons on workable radio material, all of which is demonstrated through live recordings of it being performed. You can buy it from: http://members.aol.com/swells4691/ |
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Peter Loughran V.I.P. Ontario, Canada 2683 Posts |
I heard about that, so you recommend it? I will check it out! Thanks. Any other suggestions will be appreciated!
P.
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Darmoe Special user Ohio 741 Posts |
Peter
I highly recommend SB's tapes... lots of bang for the buck! I must ask something though... are you promoting yourself as a "Magician" in these dates or "Psychic/Mentalist"? I have serious pet peeves when it comes to Joe the Magician "borrowing" from the mentalist's arsenal, when it comes time to do a Radio spot. In short, I'm of the type that thinks a "Magician" needs to bolster his/her image as a "Magician" and leave the psi styled material to those of us specializing in Psi/Bizarre performances... As I've stated all too frequently, too many magicians are exploiting top end mentalism technology to their advantage and in doing so, deminish the power of novelty behind said effects, when presented at a distance, away from the idea of a "Magic Show" by a Psychic Entertainer... to my understanding, that is why groups like the PEA came into being and retain a great deal of technology... so as to preserve our art vs. allowing it to be overly commercialized and raped. Pardon, I do not mean to "attack" you on this issue... just using your circumstances as a soap box I guess. REMEMBER... the first time Copperfield made a jet plane disappear for the public, it was on live L.A. Radio (it worked very well... touch base with Glenn Falkenstien, he can give you some of the details.) The moral of this story is... give a strong narrative and you can make the listener believe just about anything is really happening. So you might consider going with the gusto!
"I firmly believe that of all the Arts and Crafts of Mentalism, there is nothing more satisfying than one who is a first-class Reader. It is the ultimate in Mentalism..." - Tony Corinda * 13 Steps To Mentalism
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Paul Inner circle A good lecturer at your service! 4409 Posts |
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The moral of this story is... give a strong narrative and you can make the listener believe just about anything is really happening. So you might consider going with the gusto! My father tells me when he was young, one of the hit radio performers in the UK was a ventriloquist. Being IN the studio rather than on a live link is better. I always thought Lorayne's Numero Uno (in his lecture notes)was a good one for the radio, the presenter finally counting out loud the cards you cut off the deck. Goldman's Mental Yarn can be done on the radio. I have used others but would rather not discuss them Paul. |
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Yaniv Deautsch Special user Israel 529 Posts |
Well Peter,
Which tricks do you already use? I might have some suggestions for you but i need to know first your level of exprience and knowledge in the area of long distance effects. Yaniv Deautsch |
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Sid Mayer Special user Santa Fe, NM 656 Posts |
You might want to think about modifying one of the many card tricks that can be done over the phone. You can talk about having a friend named (whatever he needs to be named) who is particularly sensitive to your mental wavelength. Your "friend" will hear all he or she needs to know by listening to the broadcast.
Sid
All the world's a stage ... and everybody on it is overacting.
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Darmoe Special user Ohio 741 Posts |
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On 2002-08-14 21:07, Sid Mayer wrote: Ted Lesley speaks of doing this in PARAMIRACLES and in my experience the is one of the best ways for a magician to gain advantage of Psi manifestations e.g. working with a local Mentalist... possibly as part of a challenge routine... say a two-person telepathy bit, or card identification or any one of a dozen other bits a "Team" can offer.
"I firmly believe that of all the Arts and Crafts of Mentalism, there is nothing more satisfying than one who is a first-class Reader. It is the ultimate in Mentalism..." - Tony Corinda * 13 Steps To Mentalism
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xersekis Special user 591 Posts |
I agree with Craig about the magician borrowing form the mentalist for radio gigs. I recently told many magician friends of mine that in the middle of my act I don't appear doves nor do I dissappear a rabbit. I don't have silks appear and dissappear - so would they please stop doing mental stuff in between their illusions.
The room was filled with an icy cold and a dead silence Joh Edwards could't have warmed up. Will they stop - nah. But I do think they should. Enjoy! Rex |
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Peter Loughran V.I.P. Ontario, Canada 2683 Posts |
Thanks to all suggestions by all who contributed. I am not going to ruin any part of our art nor would I steal someone elses routine. I just wanted the references for techineque for my program that I am already doing.... After everything I have contributed to the magical arts and after 19 years in the biz, I wish I would get a little more credit than that. Anyway again thanks.
P.
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xersekis Special user 591 Posts |
Best wishes for a great radio gig!
Enjoy Rex |
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John Clarkson Special user Santa Barbara, CA 749 Posts |
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On 2002-08-16 00:55, rex sikes wrote: Gosh, have I missed something all these years? I thought mentalism was, in fact, illusions. Coin magicians can do card tricks; card men do coin tricks. Unless you really believe you are doing something OTHER than magic (read that as "bold deception") I guess I don't get your point. The magicians I know (and respect) make no bones about it: they deceive, and they do it in a way that entertains. The marvel is that people can suspend their disbelief. The spectators realize that what is essentially banal manipulation can produce an effect that mystifies. It is humbling and entertaining; magic reveals a lot about how we humans are put together. Why should it be any different for mentalists? I think it would be just fine for mentalists to saw a woman in half as they read her mind... it might keep the whole thing in perspective. :nose:
John D. Clarkson, S.O.B. (Sacred Omphaloskeptic Brotherhood)
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xersekis Special user 591 Posts |
No I have real powers. I eat when I am hungry and I sleep when I am tired.
It's just a matter of mixing jenre's. Enjoy! Rex |
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John Clarkson Special user Santa Barbara, CA 749 Posts |
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On 2002-08-19 23:04, rex sikes wrote: Not sure that satisfying physiological needs is analogous. I guess I missed the rule forbidding mixing genres in the magicians' handbook.
John D. Clarkson, S.O.B. (Sacred Omphaloskeptic Brotherhood)
Cozener "There is nothing more important to a magician than keeping secrets. Probably because so many of them are Gay." —Peggy, from King of the Hill (Sleight of Hank) |
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Andy Leviss Inner circle NYC 1179 Posts |
Well, I was avoiding the topic, because we've been down that road sooooo many times, but there's a distinctive difference between mental magic and mentalism, which I believe is what Craig and Rex are alluding to. I've written on this extensively, as have many others, including Bob Cassidy and John Riggs.
Since I'm not in the mood to type it all out again, I'm going to reprint an excerpt from my book, Ramblings & Revelations, for you to see my detailed thoughts on the subject. Enjoy :o) Quote:
A common mistake which many magicians make when dealing with mentalism related material is to ignore the fact that there is a huge difference between mental magic and mentalism. To understand what I'm talking about, let's start with a couple of easy definitions. (Note that I've edited some side discussions out of this article from how it originally appeared in my column at Visions and how it appears in the book; my apologies if I've mucked up any of the clarity in making those edits, as I wanted to conserve space here on the board) In other words, though, the problem is that the genres don't overlap as closely as some think; I think genre may not even be the right word. Mental magic is a genre of magic; mentalism, however, is a closely related but different art.
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Sid Mayer Special user Santa Fe, NM 656 Posts |
You might look for Steve Shaw's "Radio Magic" volumes 1 and 2. It consists of two one hour audio tapes. Volume 1 covers "The Business of Radio Magic." Volume 2, called "Explanations," deals with a number of suitable effects and presentations of a mostly mental nature.
The copyright is dated 1989 by Scott Wells. It was produced by Magic Inspirations, 14506 Silver Lace Lane, Houston, TX 77070. I don't know if this is still available. Good luck, Sid Mayer
All the world's a stage ... and everybody on it is overacting.
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John Clarkson Special user Santa Barbara, CA 749 Posts |
Andy wrote:
[quote]... but there's a distinctive difference between mental magic and mentalism, which I believe is what Craig and Rex are alluding to.... Quote:
A common mistake which many magicians make when dealing with mentalism related material is to ignore the fact that there is a huge difference between mental magic and mentalism. To understand what I'm talking about, let's start with a couple of easy definitions. On the one hand, you say the difference is huge; on the other you say it is subtle. I have trouble reconciling those concepts. I think the difference you describe is not enough to classify mentalism as a field outside of magic. Your distinction between mental magic and mentalism seems to be how subtle your deception is, how normal looking your "props" and how good your "outs." Sounds like magic to me. If you want to distinguish, I guess that's OK. Cardmen also distinguish between "the real work" and gaffs. One might require more talent and practice, but they are both magic. I think there is a danger that we might take ourselves too seriously. We are, after all, simply fooling people in an entertaining way (and with their implied consent). That's all. Some do it with double lifts; others do it with a center tear and sleight of mouth. I think it would be fine to do it with all of the above.
John D. Clarkson, S.O.B. (Sacred Omphaloskeptic Brotherhood)
Cozener "There is nothing more important to a magician than keeping secrets. Probably because so many of them are Gay." —Peggy, from King of the Hill (Sleight of Hank) |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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Your distinction between mental magic and mentalism seems to be how subtle your deception is, how normal looking your "props" and how good your "outs." Sounds like magic to me. You're really just describing the difference between good and bad magic. The difference between mentalism and mental magic is far more substantial. I'll follow Andy's lead here and quote myself from "Theories and Methods": Quote:
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Darmoe Special user Ohio 741 Posts |
Did I stumble into a philosophy class?
Love your thinking Bob! (Andy already knows what I think of him )
"I firmly believe that of all the Arts and Crafts of Mentalism, there is nothing more satisfying than one who is a first-class Reader. It is the ultimate in Mentalism..." - Tony Corinda * 13 Steps To Mentalism
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Andy Leviss Inner circle NYC 1179 Posts |
Hmm. I wonder if I could pull off a directed study course for my spring semester here at Emerson--"Philosophy of Mentalism". Cassidy, Brown, Corinda, etc. could be the texts. Heck, I could probably even scam them into letting me use my own book as a text. This might have potential ;o)
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