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Franz-O New user Toronto, Canada 66 Posts |
Does anyone have any good videos/tutorials on a good way to get a coin into the Goshman pinch position? Putting it in is so tough...it makes the muscle pass look easy! :X
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
The way Goshman showed me was to start by holding the coin between your middle finger and thumb. You then just curl the middle and ring fingers inward allowing the coin to slide toward the knuckles. The thumb pushes the coin, just a little, toward the extended pinky finger. Then the pinky just grips the coin holding it between it and the ring finger. Now you straighten out your fingers and turn your hand palm up.
It is NOT a difficult sleight at all.
STAY TOONED... @ www.pete-biro.com
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magicgetsgirls Regular user 171 Posts |
Pete's right. In fact, the Goshman pinch was one of the first moves I learned regarding coin magic. For me, it helps to subconsciously know EXACTLY where the coin should be resting on my fourth finger before I clip it with my pinky. Work on getting comfortable with this first step. Once you get this first part mastered, it is a simple matter to clip the coin and turn your hand palm up.
Best of luck.
Someone who can use his hands is a laborer. Someone who can use his hands, and his mind is a craftsmen. Someone who can use his hands, his mind, and his heart is an artist.
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Regan Inner circle U.S.A. 5726 Posts |
I agree. It is one of the easiest sleights to learn IMO. Pete's description is right on.
Regan
Mister Mystery
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Mike Wild Inner circle NY, PA, TX, MA, FL, NC 1290 Posts |
It's an easy enough move to do mechanically, but it takes a little work to get it smooth and consistent. Remember: wrist bent slightly inward toward your body, the right hand pivots out clockwise as it turns from a palm down to a palm up position, and you open it to show it empty (if you're using the pinch as a vanish that is).
Best, Mike |
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tpdmagic Elite user 459 Posts |
Yeah, what Mike said...LOL.
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Jaybs Special user 560 Posts |
I actually learned mine from Gregory Wilson's "On the Spot." Gregory Wilson does an exceptional job teaching it. If you don't have it yet, it wouldn't hurt to get it as it has a lot of things that you could learn besides the Goshman Pinch. I personally don't think it's that hard of a move to learn, but like all sleights, will take practice. Pete did a fine job explaining it. Hopefully this helps you out, and don't give up because you'll eventually get it!
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sanju Regular user 135 Posts |
Sankeytized II has a entire section on the Goshman/Tenkai pinch and some very nice routines to go with it. He teaches it well but doesn't fully explain how to get out of the pinch naturally, which was a huge problem for me.
Plus on that video are some killer now marketed effects which really add up to more than the price of the video. |
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Pants99 Loyal user El Paso, TX 230 Posts |
I think getting out of the pinch is tougher than getting in!!!!
Buckle up... it makes it harder for the aliens to suck you out of your car.
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
Nawwww... just rewind.
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Werner G. Seitz Inner circle 3131 Posts |
Actually -and this is the way AG did it too- it is mostly done stand-up and especially when returning the coin to the classicpalm one has to drop ones hand slightly from the palm-up position - with an inward twist of the wrist towards ones body- and sometimes even a tiny bit BEHIND table level..as all this normally is done during some *action*, eg. when doing the reverse, one is picking up another coin lying on the table.
This doesn't look as unnatural as it sound when reading this..it's exactly the way AG did it..
Learn a few things well.....this life is not long enough to do everything.....
( Words of wisdom from Albert Goshman ...it paid off for him - it might as well for YOU!!!- My own magic is styled after that motto... ) |
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wsduncan Inner circle Seattle, WA 3619 Posts |
The concealment isn't Goshman's. Blame that on Mr. Bobo, who should have known better. The technique is Ishida Tenkai's.
Scotty York's method of getting into the grip may be of interest. The coin is clipped between the thumbtip and the middle joint of the middle finger. From there is it pushed sideways towards the fourth finger, sliding behind the third (aka "ring") finger until it can be pinched in the Tenkai grip. The fingers open briefly in the manner of the "Vulcan salute" to allow the edge of the to pass between the second and third fingers. A much more direct route than rolling it around the tips of the fingers as if you were backpalming it. Both methods have their uses and both should be mastered. |
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Review King Eternal Order 14446 Posts |
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On 2004-09-06 03:22, wsduncan wrote: From his routine 'The Tenkai Pennies"??
"Of all words of tongue and pen,
the saddest are, "It might have been" ..........John Greenleaf Whittier |
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Werner G. Seitz Inner circle 3131 Posts |
I always thought it was generally known that Tenkai is the originator of that move, but as it also generally is called the Goshman pinch, it is different for anybody to obstruct from the name it is best known under.
Re. the Scotty York method, yes...that was published way back in Genii, where he published his non-gimmicked routine for C/S/B with lots of nice pics. TBH, I never favoured his handling of the pinch, I simply found it too complicated compared to the original one! Also, as it is often done when picking up a coin laying on the table (placing it in the pinch) whilst the one classic palmed is thrown out palm up, I suppose one does need an extra finger to use Scotty's method and to be on the safe side. No problems though, when using the classical way. You see, picking up a coin and pushing it through the fingers like you describe and at the same time turning the hand palm up, throwing out the other coin, will more easily flash the coin pushed in the Tenkai pinch. I'll stick to the classical method...what works for Scotty--who is a great coinworker and inovator, not necessarily works for the majority of others, whilst the classical method does. It is easier to execute and similar to backplaming a coin, but instead of gripping it also with the middle and forefinger on the back, only hold it as flat as possible against the fingers; hold solely between ring and little finger. Actually the *how to* do the Tenkai pinch is just do it as when doing a backpalm, with the above mentioned alternation. A description of the *how to* is as easy as that. Practise. It is a move that can be very useful, when not overdone!
Learn a few things well.....this life is not long enough to do everything.....
( Words of wisdom from Albert Goshman ...it paid off for him - it might as well for YOU!!!- My own magic is styled after that motto... ) |
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Mike Wild Inner circle NY, PA, TX, MA, FL, NC 1290 Posts |
RE: "it is a move that can be very useful, when not overdone!"
How very true! The same could be said for most, if not all moves. I go into and out of pinch in my own way, slightly customized from the original to address the strengths and weaknesses of my particular hands. I think most of us customize these types of things for ourselves, at least a little. No two sets of hands are exactly alike. I've never been happy with the look of the slightly lowered pinky when presenting with a coin in pinch. I'm still looking for a better and more natural-looking way to achieve the same effect. Mike |
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Werner G. Seitz Inner circle 3131 Posts |
Quote: Don't worry at all re. this. Have a look at the angle the specs are *looking* at your hand. They don't see the pinky is slightly lower.
On 2004-09-06 06:26, WildStone wrote: After all, normally that position is held only a split second and the hand(s) are moving on. They don't have a chance. Of course--again--this depends on the routine wherein you use the pinch. In all the applications I used it, it was stand-up and *behind* a table, meaning that my hand did swing a bit forth and back and when pinching AND releasing (the other classic palmed one-palm up) my hand was at the table edge, eg. the forefinger almost did touch the parallel table edge. The pinching happens after picking up the other coin between forefinger/middle finger and thumb (another coin classic palmed in the same hand) during the swing back of that hand, which is natural to do when you throw a coin out. Your hand first swings back, then forward palm up. Once again, pinch on the swing back, throw out the other coin palm up, hand stops at the table edge, classic palmed coin is, due to inertia (the sudden stop of the hand), thrown forward, your hand swings slightly back again (leaving the table edge) during that swing-back. Moving forward to pick up the tossed out coin, the pinched one is moved into the classic palm. Maybe it is different for different people but that's what works for me and I can't see any difference re. what AG did, apart from the fact that he simply MUST have done it better then me.
Learn a few things well.....this life is not long enough to do everything.....
( Words of wisdom from Albert Goshman ...it paid off for him - it might as well for YOU!!!- My own magic is styled after that motto... ) |
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Franz-O New user Toronto, Canada 66 Posts |
Hahaha wow. So much information to digest in a night. ^^
Thanks guys. This forum is the best. |
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Mike Wild Inner circle NY, PA, TX, MA, FL, NC 1290 Posts |
RE: "Maybe it is different for different people but that's what works for me and I can't see any difference re. what AG did, apart from the fact that he simply MUST have done it better then me."
That's something many of us share in common. Al Goshman did things better than we do. At the very least, it gives us a path and goals for which to aim. Mike |
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Werner G. Seitz Inner circle 3131 Posts |
Quote: Well, as you know, little good ol' Albert simply was one of a kind.
On 2004-09-06 09:25, WildStone wrote: At one convention in Europe, can't remember where it was, he mentioned up front from the stage that he had done 5 shows...and one guy was present at 4 of them--that was before he got to know me better--I shouted back that if I had known about the 5th, I would have been present at the 5th too. Actually he did teach me the pinch during a teach-in on sponge balls. The very best article re. Albert I ever read was by Jon Racherbaumer, titled "Albert Goshman: Boob On the Tube?" and it is about Al's apperance at the Johnny Carson show. I did cut it out of the periodical where it appeared and added it to my collection of *Goshmania*, so I currently can't remember the name of that periodical, but the article is dated August 28th, 1969. I think--I'm almost 100% sure-- it was "The Hierophant," or something similar like that. Just out of memory, mind you it was many many years back.
Learn a few things well.....this life is not long enough to do everything.....
( Words of wisdom from Albert Goshman ...it paid off for him - it might as well for YOU!!!- My own magic is styled after that motto... ) |
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wsduncan Inner circle Seattle, WA 3619 Posts |
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I never favoured his handling of the pinch, I simply found it too complicated compared to the original one! In such a motion the original Tenkai method is better but there are other uses for the concealment where the York method is superior. The one handed toss change where a coin is seen on the fingers, tossed into the air and when it lands ON THE SAME HAND it has changed to a different coin is considerably more direct when using the York method. |
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