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$350-$500 a show.

How long does your show last for that Mark?
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On 2004-09-16 14:53, MarkTripp wrote:
Again, interesting. A few final points:


3. Sorry boys, but the professional arena is NOT the place for a hobby. Why not a part time dentist for that root canal you need? BTW THAT line closes a lot of shows for me. If you are taking money you are a pro which means you have to act like one.



I am sorry for being blunt, but that is a pretty lame analogy. I have stated many times in this forum I was a full timer for many years, but I made the decision to go part time.

That does NOT mean my show is any less professional than a full timers show.
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Wow mark interesting post. You say the arnea is no the place for a hobby but I think magic is our hobby and yes we are pro's! If you are doing a flatpack show then I would eb disapointed paying you $500, I mean ive never heard anybody charge that much before (£278) I'm not putting you down it seems a little like your 'talking big.' I love big shows not OTT but beutiful props nice prodction pieces and so on and their someone comes along and adds a 10min routine to a colouring book and change bag and charges double. Kids don't want to see three tricks in a show they want to lots of bright colourfull fun magic.
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Hi Matt,

My show lasts an hour and I do only 4 routines, it's not the number of tricks you do, it's how you do them that's important.

But I do agree that if you walked into the room with just a small briefcase, and proceeded to do a kids show, the booker may think that they are not getting their moneys worth, I use a mixture of larger props, and small stuff in my act, but it all comes out of my magic box which is nice and colourful and dress's the stage nicly.

I don't take anything in I'm not going to use, and everything I do not only has to fit in the box but has to have, little or no reset.
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Yes,
but You your routines are made up of lots of tricks aren't they?
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Sorry boys, but the professional arena is NOT the place for a hobby. Why not a part time dentist for that root canal you need? BTW THAT line closes a lot of shows for me. If you are taking money you are a pro which means you have to act like one.




Rotten analogy there Mr. Tripp.
A dentist is a licensed professional who requires professional training at a certified institution. There are no Universities of greater learning for Magicians. The best you could hope for is a degree in the Theatre Arts or Psychology I suppose.
The entertainment industry is rife with partimers and wannabees. Garage Bands, Civic Theatre and Karaoke Bars are all filled with them.
I really know very few Magicians who actually do this full time with no other means of support and those few I do know who do do it "professionally" all have working spouses to support them during the off times.

But you are right it is not the props that entertain but the entertainer. A truly gifted individual could entertain a room full of people for an hour with nothing but a coat hanger and a piece of tape.
The magic is in you, not your props.
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Hi Matt yes there is bits of magic in all the routines, but they are part of the routines and not different tricks
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A truly gifted individual could entertain a room full of people for an hour with nothing but a coat hanger and a piece of tape.
The magic is in you, not your props.

Wow I think youve met a childrens entertainer near me! ZZZzzzzzzz Ok not really but I have seen swome one get 25 mins out of a colouring book just the book no change bags just boring patter.

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Can long drawn out effects at a kid's show really keep their interest or just the volunteer (if any) the performer is using?
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If it's done right, with lots of audience participation, along with lots of funny interaction with the helper yes. I use a helper for every routine they are the stars not me. The trick is when talking to the helper you must not ignore the rest of the kids.

I take a trick, look at how it starts, how it ends and then work out what I can have happen on the way. I then end up with a routine for a trick that will involve a couple of magical episodes where it goes wrong, or we need to magic the bits to make the trick work.

If you do it Matt described just drag out a trick with no substance to the routine, you'll bore the socks off them.
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"I take a trick, look at how it starts, how it ends and then work out what I can have happen on the way. I then end up with a routine for a trick that will involve a couple of magical episodes where it goes wrong, or we need to magic the bits to make the trick work. "


Clive!

That should be framed and hung up on the wall (invisible to the kids and moms)!
Perhaps an excert from an upcoming book??

Great advice, you hit the point right on the head of what I was looking for, thanks!

A magical puzzle that needs to be solved by all of us working as a magic team filled with laughs and mishaps along the journey.

I don't know if you have seen John Zanders Entertaining School Assemblies (something like that) DVD but he only uses a few effects from a suitcase and involves his helpers to the max. I couldn't pull it off and wouldn't even attempt it at this stage of my "part time hobbyist semi-professional for some bucks" career:)

Thanks,
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Candini get John Zanders Lecture Notes he was just up here in Wisconsin. doing a Lecture for S.A.M. # 61 I'll say get his lecture notes to a lot of material plus never. insult the kid etc up on stage. Don,
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Donster,

I have his DVD. You are right, he has a way with kids that probably no one or not many have. Have you seen his performance?

He works out of LA and is a full timer. He gets bookings that I couldn't touch and probably will never get to that level. It probably takes him less than a minute to set up.

There are the John Zanders, Mark Tripps, David Ginns then the 20-30 yr full timers, then the learning process part timers who get frustrated when every kid doesn't get involved 100 percent in one who is suppose to be winning this game.........striving to be the best has its ups and downs Donster but Im still in the game.

I have to seperate my roots in mentalism and magic to stun and astonish. Had a talk with my 8 year old assistant a few minutes ago about the shows....She really doesn't like working outside in the heat but Im not blaming it on that. I feel everyshow I am getting better at interacting with the kids (my biggest problem) which CLive hit the nail on the head a post before yours.

My strong points:

Magic is there....
Very visual
Very colorful


Weak Points:

Cultural issues (I am a minority here and have to understand the way kids are taught)
Interaction is there but needs more "connection."
Need more surprises.

Prop heavy also. I get rid of effects that I don't feel I can make get the house roaring (except my finale to music). My blue die box with the yellow cube would sometimes get them going other times zzzzzz..Its outta here! I need 100 percent, nothing less.
It is the performer I know but some things just don't go with my style.

Sorry so long here.....

I guess a show can be rated on screaming and yell value.

Clive, I know its difficult and you are across the pond but what would you say the average screaming and yelling is for your average show?

30 percent of the show?
50 percent etc.

My rabbit gets the kids going crazy. Usually P B n J does it also. I don't really look at every effect as to the laughter but should I? I mean involvement should be up there also correct?

I know this is way off being prop heavy but needed to give this some venting.

You are correct about the adults. I know I impress them but I must leave them totally out of the picture unless I use them for a silly volunteer etc.
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Candini don't worry about it being so Long. I know your out of the 20-30 year range. as for Kids its hard to say how to keep them interested evreyone is Diffrent. also PM me on how you are doing the blue Die Box you might have to change the Bit a Bit. Don,
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Its on Ebay Donster...ends tomorrow with one bid.
It had em screaming but not every party. I can't afford any more non user friendly effects. I have to have 100 percent success with every effect to be the best or at least better than the rest in my neck of the woods. There are not a lot of entertainers I know from here but they bring their acts in here from out of town to perform.
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If you mean screaming and yelling because I'm doing something that they feel they must point out to me, Theres a tiny bit of that in the first routine as they tell me the wands , bent, broken, or fallen apart, none in the 2nd routine and quite a bit when marmite does things behind my back. The rest of the time there is lots of laughing, pointing and even the occassional Wow.

The thing you have to get right is the balance, after a while if over done the screaming, and shouting bits of business can get repetitive and boring. Which is why I don't over do them.

You also have to be pretty flexible, each audience of kids are different, and something that sends one lot crazy will fall flat with another. Therefore you have to learn to suss the kids out at the start and adjust what you do and say to fit. That's why I can do the same show for 4 year olds, and 9 year olds. Also you have to be prepared for when your 'make the birthday kid look special' trick doesn't have a birthday kid because the kids suddenly gone shy and bottled it.

Because I do 2-Hour parties by the time I get to the magic show I know what makes this group tick, who not to have up, who to seperate when they sit down etc etc. If I'm only doing the one hour I arrive as they are eating, as I'm setting up if they are in the sameroom I'll talk to the kids, a have a laugh and suss them out that way.
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"You also have to be pretty flexible, each audience of kids are different, and something that sends one lot crazy will fall flat with another. Therefore you have to learn to suss the kids out at the start and adjust what you do and say to fit"

Im following you around the board before a dinner Clive:) I see some of my show in every post but not a complete assessment. I do suss them out as I set up. I noticed from this last show they weren't a very lively bunch before or after the show. Perhaps Im being a bit hard on myself and I wish I could see all your shows here as well as you seeing mine. Boy would that be something. Really if I thought I was a flop at children I'd pack it in tomorrow and stay with adults but I really like the children, the challenge of it all and I have two at home also. I think most adult magi see this as a starting point or baby sitting etc but this is really hard work and something that really takes time to get right.

Im not at the point to let my effects last too long (crash and burn, do it early Candini:). That way if the reaction isn't there, its on to the next effect.

I know what works the majority of the time (yes age differences I am constantly aware of now) and as I get more experienced I will add and refine my show as needed.

Great help here as always and well heeded.


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Marmite is Clives lion. You either love him or hate him!

BTW, Thanks for making this the 2nd most popular post in the history of the litle darlings! followed by how much do you charge, I went through all 40 and found some really good posts along the way!.

Matt

The reason I believe Mark Tripp charges so much I, think is because he only does two types of shows and they both use specialist equptment and the experiments need new matireals every time. Although I didn't see a price of $500 they were still pretty reasonable for what he was offering.
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Thanks Matt,

Mark Tripp certainly is in a separate class of magicians. I'd love to see his show on tape.

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I don't care what anyone says about skill or great mysteries. I am an entertainer before I am a magician. Speaking of pack flat play big, I love the ones I have all of them are hits and I have a lot of fun with the children. I bring in a Lefler suitcase and one small side table and that is it for house call magic shows. I pack up and breakdown in no time at all. The parents love the show afterwards. The kids love it during. About a year ago I made this change as I use to bring in boxes for livestock and chair suspensions and backdrops and sound systems and bigger wands and the list goes on. It would take me all day to perform one show. These props didn't make my show any better. Just made me more tired.

So now to my point, here are the tricks that I think pack small and play huge for me everytime.

Deja Zoo (instant reset)
Cereal Killers (I get the parents involved) (instant reset)
Super Frog (almost instant reset)
Rising Card pad (not instant reset, but I make four at a time and keep them in a suitcase in the car)
Mini Hippity hop rabbits (instant reset and only take up 2" square space)
Shrinking and growing head (instant reset)
Happy Hyena (20 secnd set up and gives me 7 minutes of laughable entertainment from the children)
No tear restore newspaper (sometimes I use the Gene Anderson tear so I have extra in the car - Instant reset)
Sponge Balls (Instant reset)
Mismade Flags (Instant reset)
Needle though ballon (easy clean up and instant reset, I just put the needle in the wand and I am ready to go)
Professors nightmare (instant reset)
Flower box bag (30 second reset)
Vanishing Bottle (instant reset)

The only props I bring are multiplying bottles (Nuka Cola labels on them - reset is about one minute as I wrap them in a sock)
Stratosphere with devils box (instant reset)
Deceptive Square Circle
Sucker Die Box with top hat(instant reset)
Spell a Word (usually childs name if 7 letters or smaller, if not then it spells Magic)
Chattering teeth box (one minute reset dump out excess and load the other gimmick newspaper)
Vanishing Bandana (instant reset as I use the pocket inserts - I have to buy another banana but this is done on my way to the next show)

At the end and during the show I fill up the space to make any parent seem like they got their monies worth. Since I am only a hobby magician it is not about the money. Everything I own (illusions included) are completely paid for. The advantages of my show is I am in and out and ready to go. I don't compete with those that use the rabbits as I charge only $110 for a 45 minute show and they charge over $250. Very easy in this economy for party planners.

I hope that this helps with seeing the advantage of pack flat play big.

Patrick
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