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Ken Dyne Inner circle UK 2268 Posts |
By the looks of it Daniel Love, he of the Café and the (in my opinion) rather wonderful Dream Signs has released something else.
It has not been long since I bought his Signs effect and was very pleased with it. I shall be buying this soon, before I do has anyone already bought it and what's it like? Is the material like Signs or better? Worse? Hope all are well, Kind thoughts, Kennedy Posted: Sep 9, 2004 6:47am -------------------------------------------- Apologies, I just noticed that this was being discussed elsewhere, apologies again, it's early.
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DangerMouse Special user LONDON CITY 509 Posts |
He says it's early but it's actually 11:49am here in the UK.
Curt
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salsa_dancer Inner circle 1935 Posts |
That is early for the doleites
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DanielLove Loyal user UK 265 Posts |
I like the title to this thread,
"love strikes again" so is that, Love strikes - Again, or Love, strikes again. ?? I wondered why there were a bunch of "ladies of the night" marching around chanting and handing out flyers. Its just like the Playboy strikes back in 1992 all over AGAIN. What is the world coming to? Oh dear. |
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Looch Inner circle Off by 3362 Posts |
Crikey bet you havn't had to use bog roll over the last few days.....shiny star
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Ken Dyne Inner circle UK 2268 Posts |
For those who have bought the e-book: I think 20 questions would be an ideal preshow, especially for radio. This is due to the free selections the participant feels they have made. Just an idea,
Kind thoughts, Kennedy
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salsa_dancer Inner circle 1935 Posts |
Kennedy,
Do you actually perform? The force is one of the most glaringly obvious in the business. It is on par with the Elephant from Denmark. |
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Ken Dyne Inner circle UK 2268 Posts |
Salsa,
Yes I perform regularly. I really like the force very much. But we're all entitled to our own opinions and I respect yours as it is just as valid. I do not think it is obvious to lay people as they are not in the know as to psychological forces. However I say this and I have yet to perform it, so you may very well be correct Salsa. Kind thoughts, Kennedy
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Winnes Elite user 473 Posts |
I am really struggling to resist buying this... just to see how good/bad it is... I personally liked DreamSigns, but can see why some wouldn't.
This force intrigues me no end though, I've got a sneaking suspicion I know what it is, and Ive got a feeling I wont be impressed by the other effects, but I still feel myself being drawn toward that PayPal button.... |
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Ken Dyne Inner circle UK 2268 Posts |
Craig, I think the effects also are worth knowing, even if they are for you just what you are not going to perform, however some of Love's thinking and subtleties are great, only in my opinion I must say. Then again you would save a couple of quid by not pressing the "do not press" button.
Kind thoughts, Kennedy
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salsa_dancer Inner circle 1935 Posts |
Each to their own. Of course my opinions are mine and I may not be representative of all members here
I will write a proper review then it may stop all this and people can make their own judgement and add their own comments. |
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Ken Dyne Inner circle UK 2268 Posts |
Absolutly Salsa, I will work on a review soon also, however I am busy each night for the rest of this week, so I'll work on it asap.
Salsa, are you a performer yourself? Which sort of venues is it you perform, and above all which do you prefer? Kind thoughts, Kennedy
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david_a_whitehead Inner circle USA 2122 Posts |
Read the link in his signature.
and I thought you already gave your "review" |
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DanielLove Loyal user UK 265 Posts |
Lets try to not let tensions get too high over an eBook! Life's too short.
Let me try to explain the direction I am coming from with my eBooks... NONE of the effects I release are designed to be used exactly as they come - this is why I always state that they are for the more experienced performers. I think it would be wrong to perform ANY effect according to the script that comes "on the tin" My ideas are essentially the backbones of effects and concepts that I wish to share so as performers with the ability to add creativity to there performances can use to make something that is unique to them. Something to experiment with and to get the mental juices flowing. DreamSigns is exactly like this, you CAN use it as it comes, but PLEASE don't, please, please please!! Rework it tweak it in your own way - make it logical to you... I myself perform it differently to how it is sold, the published version is a BASIC CONCEPT it works yes, but without reworking it for yourself, so it makes sense to you and how you perform then it'll never have an impact. I hate the idea of a "lets be Derren" clone army of Mentalists. Lets buy effects, learn and be inspired by them and then rework them as much as we can so we are our own fresh selves!! Of course the methods are simple and OF COURSE they are obvious WHEN YOU KNOW THEM. that's what it is to be a Mentalist, the point is our audiences are not mentalists, they are the public. Look at the swami gimmick, metal bending, thumb tip, psychokinetic touches, psychokinetic time, the HOY book test... all these effects rely on VERY OLD concepts and are ALL bold and REALLY OBVIOUS... WHEN YOU KNOW HOW ITS DONE. There are NO "real works" there are no "Inner Secrets" and if there are they are REALLY OBVIOUS when you know how. I admit completely that on many occasions I use methodology in my performances that is so simple and shockingly OBVIOUS, but and this is what is really important is WE ARE NOT THE METHODOLOGY, Mentalism is NOT THE METHODS, it is a performance art and I feel lays 99% in the power and character of the individuals performance. I think metal bending is a PRIME example of this, it is COMPLETELY down to performance skills, the methodology (and there are many FANTASTIC METHODS) is secondary - you could know all the methods available, but if you have no skills as a performer then you will always be seen as a trickster - OR you could know 1 method and have integrated it so well into your own personality and hence perform it with such utter conviction so as to have people fall at your feet! If you don't like my methods then fair enough, but don't tell me they do not work! as I have performed them all (or variations as I've discussed) with massive success, why? because like I say it's not the methods but how you perform them and how much confidence you have in your ability to convince. God I'm ranting, I'll stop before you all fall asleep! All the best, Daniel |
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salsa_dancer Inner circle 1935 Posts |
I have been drawn in yet again by some of your comments Daniel that I would like to address. The problem here is that it now makes this look like a slanging match, which I can assure it isn't.
It has just come to a head, and I for one am sick of walking on eggshells when it comes to substandard products. We wouldn't accept it in any other market so why do we here. I have tossed too many things in the drawer when in fact I should have demanded a refund! Quote:
On 2004-09-09 15:06, DanielLove wrote: No, Let's get tensions high. This e-book cost me money and due to blatantly false advertising it doesn't do what it says on the tin. Example: Quote:
Second up, two effects in one... PRIME MACHINE: Yet in the book it has to go into a switch wallet, oops, I don't even own a frickin switch wallet! Quote:
The third effect: PSYCHOLIBRI: An impromptu book test for a small group. Using any book at any time! It’s as simple as that. The participant chooses a book, chooses a page number and line then "transmits" the entire line of text to the performer. And guess what? You can reveal the whole line of text word for word. It says they choose the page, line etc. Yet in the book it is a force, and a bad one at that! Quote:
I hate the idea of a "lets be Derren" clone army of Mentalists. Lets buy effects, learn and be inspired by them and then rework them as much as we can so we are our own fresh selves!! I find this quite ironic as two of the effects are similar to effects Derren has performed on TV. There is a whole wave of e-books coming along and when I think what you can buy for the same price it puts it in perspective. For $6 I can get Anneman's Practical Mental Effects, $15 will get me the breakthrough card system, $20 Making Magic Real - Richard Osterlind. I think an e-book with 4 dodgy effects at $20 is a crime. Just my humble opinion of course. |
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Sir T Special user 535 Posts |
Recently, I wrote a review for a book, which began to take on a life of it own. The more, I tried to explain, my thought process and how I came to write what I wrote, the more it started to become a P-match, which was never my intent, lucky for me the co-author was helpful and cleared much of it up.
This is beginning to look like the same thing, however, I would like to point out from my point of view, there are a lot of ebooks out and it does not look like they are going to stop anytime soon. Some of these ebooks are wise and some are otherwise! I have been burned by some of the better known names and some of the less known names (one of which Salsa_dancer thinks in a good ebook, but I fail to see the value of it, but that is me) as well and I think salsa_dancer make a strong point: "It has just come to a head, and I for one am sick of walking on eggshells when it comes to substandard products. We wouldn't accept it in any other market so why do we here. I have tossed too many things in the drawer when in fact I should have demanded a refund!" Never a truer statement has been made! However, I think some of the problem has to be placed on the buyer! Let me be clear, why are you buying an ebook from a relative unknown, with an unknown track record?" (I do not mean this for an insult to Mr. DanielLove, but on this side of the pond, I have not heard of him and know very little about him, maybe it is a UK thing?) But wait, it gets worse, you bought one of his ebooks for which you got burned and then you run out and buy his newest one---"What were you thinking?" This is the same reason why every month or so people are posting complaints about Bob, "As if they thought these had changed-Yea right!" Buyers should be more careful, when they part with their cash, if you are buying a remarkable ebook from a relatively new or unknown performer, you get what you get. Just my two cents worth. (none of this is meant as insult to either people, it is just my point of view, this could easily have been written about any number of recently released ebooks) ME |
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DanielLove Loyal user UK 265 Posts |
Salsa,
I'll address the point you've made and try not to sound like I'm "having a go" as I am not, I do feel that you have made a few errors in your argument though. Firstly I see nothing "blatantly false" in the advertising - it does do exactly what it says as much as any other mentalism publication. Check out the advertising for "Psychokinetic touches" or anything else for that matter - in fact I think I have been quite frank and down played any hype. **Salsa said: "Yet in the book it has to go into a switch wallet, oops, I don't even own a frickin switch wallet!"** Or just as simply a billet switch - I thought I'd use the wallet as an example as firstly it's the easiest of switches and I sort of assume that most experienced performers will have one and if they don't then it's probably because they are well versed in billet switches. Either way it should be easy for anyone with basic knowledge to work out which they prefer - I choose the simplest method in the explanation knowing full well that people with any sense would rework the simple details to suit themselves. So yes I can be performed exactly as stated. **Salsa said: "It says they choose the page, line etc. Yet in the book it is a force, and a bad one at that!"** I am referring to how it appears to THE ENTIRE AUDIENCE. Including the person who CHOOSES the line and the PAGE NUMBER. And yes it is a force too... but that is kind of irrelevant to the audience when to all involved the line and number has CLEARLY been freely chosen. I personally think the force is very good, that's why I felt I should share it. ***Salsa said "I find this quite ironic as two of the effects are similar to effects Derren has performed on TV." *** No offense Salsa, but would I be accused of releasing Derren style effects if I released a Séance book? Is Derren a Banachek rip off for performing psychokinetic touches? (and yes I know these effects are as old as the hills and don't belong to anyone, but that's the point) c'mon you don't really think this stuff do you? I think you'll find that Derren uses pretty much standard mentalism fodder for his effects. If you read my post properly you would have realized that I was referring to presentational style not choice of effects. I'm talking about calling yourself something like a "Psychological illusionist" or even a "Perceptual entertainer" and then judging how you perform on another's performance values rather than exploring your own. So if you are going to pull the conversation down that road, may I point out that you yourself are a self styled "Perceptual Entertainer" and are performing a Séance stunt, sorry a "frightening display of psychic and spiritual phenomena." So there! (sticks his tongue out and goes "na na na-na na) Sorry I couldn't resist. Please don't take too much offense I'm just kidding around! On a serious note though, I have a strong feeling that I am getting the ugly end of your anger at a lot of your magical and mentalism purchases. In which case can I make a suggestion - stop buying so much and invest all your time and effort into a few good effects you already own, the more you buy the less value the things you purchase will have. You've already said you were disappointed with DreamSigns - if I were you I would have stopped right there. It's unlikely that after the points you made about DS that you would like anything else I wrote. It seems very odd to me indeed - or did you buy it for other reasons? For example I bought some of Kenton's work, didn't get on with it and so didn't buy any more. Just personal taste - but you can sort of see if another performer is producing your kind of material or not. There are other threads discussing this kind of thing so I'll leave it at that for now. Just my humble opinion of course |
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salsa_dancer Inner circle 1935 Posts |
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On 2004-09-09 17:52, Sir T wrote: You made a very valid point there Sir T. I gave Daniel the benefit of the doubt, and foolishly went off the advertising blurb. Unfortunately I have an obsession with book tests and an unholy thirst for them! I am seeing a shrink about it (not the shrink from here I must add!) Quote:
On 2004-09-09 17:58, DanielLove wrote: It is an issue with many things out there. Quote:
I'm talking about calling yourself something like a "Psychological illusionist" or even a "Perceptual entertainer" and then judging how you perform on another's performance values rather than exploring your own. Well there are not many terms out there that apply, as you know being a mentalist can mean something VERY different in the UK. Quote:
Sorry I couldn't resist. Please don't take too much offense I'm just kidding around! none taken Quote:
On a serious note though, I have a strong feeling that I am getting the ugly end of your anger at a lot of your magical and mentalism purchases. In which case can I make a suggestion - stop buying so much and invest all your time and effort into a few good effects you already own, the more you buy the less value the things you purchase will have. You've already said you were disappointed with DreamSigns - if I were you I would have stopped right there, It's unlikely that after the points you made about DS that you would like anything else I wrote. It seems very odd to me indeed - or did you buy it for other reasons? Maybe so, but I also like to help people out that are making an effort, I was disappointed in dream signs again because of the wooly advertising. I thought after that it wouldn't happen again. My main reason for buying it was the book test as I stated in my previous post, I like to see how different people handle the concept. Not to worry I have learned my lesson I am happy to leave this one alone now. |
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DanielLove Loyal user UK 265 Posts |
Well thanks Salsa,
It has been good to deal with negative feedback - always good for the ego to get a bashing now and then, keeps you on your toes! Still I stand by my Book and think it is a valid and worthwhile collection of effects, that is the reason I released them!! If anyone else else wants to share a review (good or bad) please do! All the best, Daniel |
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Sir T Special user 535 Posts |
Salsa_dancer happy to hear that you are getting help with your obsession with book tests!
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