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Banachek
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Ahh, this makes more sense now, as the way I came across the the bend was quite by accident myself. The national Enquirer asked me to bend up a bunch of silverware physically for a a photo shoot (wanted to save time rather than have me to it "Psychically".

However, still a little confused as the spoon is already twisted, it is very, very difficult to put a second twist into the spoon or fork as it tends to try to go where the other twist is. Sounds like you are giving them a second fork or spoon to try with? If so, don't, just hand them the original one you twisted, they will not be able to untwist it, and it will be very difficult to put a second twist in. I also suggest you straighten and flatten out the twist after it is put in. This makes it much more difficult to work with or discover.

As for touches, the wording is important and the pacing since it is important the know what you are talking about, this is way too open a forum for me to discuss it, already said too much about the twist
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Jonathan
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Good point. The two times it happened was at a resteraunt and they had their own forks. On stage it won't be a problem at all.

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A friend of mine performed the twist with a spoon - and it didn´t impress me at all. I thought he twisted the spoon at home and...
it blew me away when I saw richard osterlind putting the twist in the spoon - on the bonus section of the third (?) dvd.

for pk touches: if you use yigal mesikas little friends, I think there is nothing to observe
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I'll try to ask this in a way that doesn't give anything away: When doing PK touches, do you ever have the first spectator react when they are actually touched? I usually tell them straight up not to react but I fear that sounds suspicious. PLEASE don't say anything that gives hints to the working of the effect. If you must, please PM me!

Thanks!

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NO,tell them to close their eyes and to concentrate upon any and all sensations they felt and to remember them. This way they will not react because they do not know if this is the effect or not depending upon your presentation. Only after they reveal they felt it when you ask in the right order, then it becomes an effect. Hope that helps and is not too cryptic.
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I have to jump in here with my own 2 cents worth. Banachek taught me the twist many years ago and, like him, I have never had ANYONE explain it or duplicate it. Let me ask you a question, Jonathan. Are you putting in the twist so that the spoon or fork looks like the top was just swiveled around. That is, the bend should just be in a quarter inch or so on the handle so that it almost looks like it was made that way. If the bend is more like a "loop" then it just looks like someone took it and gave it a good twist. But if the bend looks like a "swivel" then it looks like something out of a special effects movie that no one could possibly duplicate.

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I am lucky to be a proud owner of a Banachek bent fork Smile and I would just like to add thatI have just looked at the twist he put into it, and even though I know how it was done it looks impossible.

Like Richard said above, you can put the twist in and it looks obvious, especially with heavier cutlery. I have wasted a good few pounds on forks and spoons I can tell you!
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Thanks. "to remember them", that's the key phrase right there! That's what I needed. I have the manuscript, obviously, and have my own presentation of it. I never realized the importance in those 3 words. I'll definitely make sure I use it from now on. That changes the whole perspective of the spectator.

It's all in the subtleties!

Osterlind: I try to make it look like an actual twist, but sometimes I get a flimsy fork and accidentally make the "loop" that doesn't look very good. Come to think of it, I do believe one of the cases I mentioned was one where that did happen. That very well may have had something to do with it.

Also, Mr. Osterlind, I just read your description of the spoon melt (matrix-like) on another topic. I've never quite gotten that to work. I'm excited to try it out again in front of a mirror now. It's your tip of the "pivot" that cued me in to what I was doing wrong.

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Jonathan,

I'm glad to see it is now working for you. One thing I would like to pass on, and I'm sure Banachek would agree with this, is if you are working on an effect that you KNOW someone is doing all the time with great results, and it doesn't work for you, then there must be something wrong/different in your approach. Usually by studying what the problem is and overcoming it, you will not only gain a new effect, but a lot of others based on the same principle. If you give up and say "The method is no good" you will never advance.

Congratulations on being diligent!

Richard
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Thanks. Yes I agree. It would be foolish of me to ever think that someone is making a living off of something that "doesn't work". I tried some with a fork today but it didn't work. I need to watch the DVD again, it's been too long. If I still just don't get it (sometimes the most obvious thing can be the most illusive) I'll ask more specific questions.

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I am so impressed by the support Banachek and Richard Osterlind have given to Jonathan. I feel confident to spend my hard earned cash on products these two gentlemen release, they must love the art of magic.
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I've been helped many times by many people on the Café, as a result it's made me want to be as helpful.

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They are more helpful than you know! Smile

Jonathan Grant

I tried the "remember" line this afternoon and the girl still reacted and opened her eyes as soon as she felt it. It's set up so well that they get scared or amazed and react as soon as they feel it (I would to if I was in their shoes). Suggestions?

Of course, it all worked out great because while she was in the middle of telling everyone that she didn't feel anything (at the right time) she reacted and grabbed her arm and said something pinched her. I was as amazed as anyone, of course, but took credit for it. Even more amazingly, the audience swore that I pinched the other spectator in that same spot even though that spec said she didn't feel me pinch her (of course she didn't, because I didn't do it!). I got credit for keeping her from feeling it and making the other girl feel it instead.

Just another example of what happens when the audience WANTS you to succeed and be amazing!

Jonathan Grant

BTW, mods please respect Banachek's request if he thinks too much has been said and would like any of my posts deleted or edited. I give full permission to do so.

Jonathan Grant
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