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Rupert Bair
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Nice gag George, mind if I use it?!
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No problems, Matt, since it is a..wait for it..wait for it.....throw-away gag.
Oh, the cheese.
LoL, glad you like it Honus, Poundstretcher is a shop that sells a lot of rubbish for sod all, but I think you'd guessed that.
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Oh, sure, George, I'm just getting over "flaming pound-stretcher" and now you toss me "rubbish for sod all." I need an English-to-American dictionary, doggone it!

(Okay, I admit, I sort of know what "sod all" means. And I certainly know what "rubbish" is, after all, I've shopped in magic stores!) And I was pretty close on "Poundstretcher."

Kind of like our Dollar Store, I guess. I've always wanted to go into an Everything's A Dollar store and spend an afternoon saying, "How much is this one? Really? How about this? What about this thing?" Smile

Too bad American slang never seems to get past "go @#$# yourself"!
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Suddenly a kid in the first row yells,"I know what he's gonna do..he's gonna stuff all that stuff into that bag and pull out an American flag!!!"

If it happens again you could say "no I'm not , you're going to!" Then have that child produce the flag.
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P. B. Jones,

Great insight. Both your responses were spot on. And, if the kid did not hit on the correct answer but continues talking over you, I sometimes will stop and say something like: "WOW! That's a great idea; not what I'm going to do here...but a great idea. I'll have to try that next time".

Mike
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Ummm.....

....may I offer a different opinion?

Don't you think the "ending" was rather obvious?

Now, if you were doing the mis-made flag, perhaps you could have been "one up".

We need to realise that FAR too many magicians are doing the same tricks and the same jokes, and the shows look the same.

Bring out the peanut brittle can, ask the kids if they want some, they will say no because they KNOW there are snakes in there.

Open the can, say ok, more for me, take out the peanut brittle and eat some....

...THAT fooled them.

Now, if later you ask again, but have switched the can....

...you get the idea.

Magic shops will sell ANY TRICK to ANYONE who walks in the door.

Teacher, scout masters, etc. So if your act came off of those shelves, remember who else is shopping them. The kids have most likely seen other people...

...so IMHO, you need to be different.
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Mark Tripp,

Excellent points!! Please don't get me started discussing the "sameness" of most magicians' presentations as they open the box and all do the identical "patter" as "taught" in the instructions. No originality; no routining of this effect with 2 or 3 others to make up their own unique routine.

Your post dealt with the question of "causation" and how maybe to avoid such situations from happening; P.B. Jones' dealt with how to graciously exricate yourself from the specificlly caused situation. Both responses are excellent and come at the "problem" from two different perspectives.

Thanks again for the comments.

Mike
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<<<<Excellent points!! Please don't get me started discussing the "sameness" of most magicians' presentations as they open the box and all do the identical "patter" as "taught" in the instructions. No originality; no routining of this effect with 2 or 3 others to make up their own unique routine.>>>>

One year at blackpool, there were 2 guy's taking part in the kids competition. If it wasn't for the fact that theIr brightly patterned jackets were different colours, you'd have thought they were the same guy. I put these guy's under one heading.

CLONES FROM THE ACME SCHOOL OF CHILDREN'S ENTERTAINING .
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Clive,

Ha-ha! Now THAT'S funny. Sad too as these guys probably didn't miss a beat in their "performing" and probably didn't "get" your comment at all.

Mike

P.S. Just thought of the following: "There is no such thing as boring magic--just boring magicians". Do you think that this is true, or, is there possibly boring magic as well. Hmm! I wonder.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again, A boring magician can take the biggest most expensive trick and the audience will be bored to tears, a good magician can take the smallest thing and turn it into an awe inspiring edge of seat miracle.

Which leads to the age old question, Are we there to Amaze, or Entertain?

My answer is we are there to entertain 1st, amaze 2nd, if we are not entertaining, the audience wont bother watching long enough to be amazed.
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Because we used our own tricks or our specialised routines for tricks we can honestly say we never has that problem after the first ten years of a fifty odd years entertaining children. May we suggest you suddenly stop without making the child realise that you heard what They said and ask for a volunteer, You look around and suddenly say to the child who said 'I've Seen it.' 'Ah! you look like a clever person.' Sit them down beside you and say you have something very special for them to do but they will have to be blindfolded. Blidfold the child and get on with the trick, at the end obtain your applause. You can then either send them back and you will hear no more because he won't want to be called up again and miss the next trick, or, if you are confident they do not know the trick, or on removing the blindfold and say 'Boys and girls John here said he knew that trick and will now tell you exacly what happend. (If you don't wish to blind fold send them out of the room after all you don't care whether they come back, but the betting is they will very much want to.When vanishing a handkerchief using a handkerchief ball we would hear a child say 'its gone up his sleeve.' Now if you ignore it they will say it louder and louder so that all the children will repeat it, so I would stop without giving the child any inkling that I had heard what they had said and say 'I would like someone to come and help me, hands up a boy or girl sitting down, not calling out who would like to come and help me.'I would of course pick the child who said 'Its up your sleeve.' I would then ask them to put both hands around my wrist and would carry on and vanish the silk, and there would be no one more astonished that the child. Mind you I doubt if any of you can do that because when you tuck a silk to be vanished into your fist you tuck it in the THUMB end, I tuck the silk into the handkerchief ball using the little finger end and can vasnish a silk in this way surrounded, much easier and so much cleaner and very effective.Eric and Muriel
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On 2004-12-07 07:03, ericsharp wrote:
Blidfold the child and get on with the trick, at the end obtain your applause.


You are joking arn't you??????????????

I would never do this. It might have worked many years ago Eric, but I can't see many magicians doing something like that these days!!!
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"I've seen it" is never really a problem for me, I just say "Would you like to see it again?" and they say "yes".
I haven't had a kid say it's gone up my sleeve for a couple of years. I wonder why.....
George
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I would never do this. It might have worked many years ago Eric, but I can't see many magicians doing something like that these days!!!

HI,
Sorry billy but I would!
it suits my sense of humor.

Like the thing Steven bargatze did in Blackpool, he got four or five kids up on stage and drew the tabs so they could not see a thing and lest them there the entire act!
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As we said we never had the problem. but common sense tells you that you stop it immediately and there are so many ways. A Magician here in South Wales Les Gwyn was just about to commence his show when another magician introduced himself so Les did not want him to see his show so he said I'm starting off with Hypnotism would you come up and help and pretend that I put you to sleep. This happened and Les had him with his head in his lap for the whole show so that he did not see a thing a good tip for adult entertainers if they so want. Eric and Muriel.
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I think that anytime a child is used in a particularly special way it can solve your problem and can give the child a sense that he or she is special. I think we, as entertainers, need to remember that we do this as a gift to the audience not as a power over them.

There are so many different solutions to the "I've seen this one" they cannot all be numerated, but I've found that the ones that are most effective in the long term are the solutions that invite the child to receive this gift of entertainment like he or she has never before received it.

This is why I include the "heckler" in the show. Not to put the heckler on the spot or to shut the heckler up, but to gift the child with entertainment. Have the child help you, it can only serve to increase the value of the show overall.
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Hahaha, I love the blindfolded thing Eric, I'd do it. It would satisfy Philip's theory of the kid wanting attention. There they'd be up front. If they got a little goofy about it, play it up, what the heck, if the audience laughs and is being entertained, then it satisfies Emazdad's idea of being entertaining. Roll with it. Some kids are goin' to be a pain in the a...udience, expect it and go with it. One thing I would try to avoid is looking mean in the kid's eye's, otherwise, have fun.

My favourite story about troublesome kids is from a magician friend who used to go over and shake the kid's hand while standing on the kid's foot and applying the weight. Under his breath, he'd tell the kid to smarten up. Now that I would never do, but it makes a great story.
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<<<<This is why I include the "heckler" in the show. Not to put the heckler on the spot or to shut the heckler up, but to gift the child with entertainment. Have the child help you, it can only serve to increase the value of the show overall. >>>

Sorry I totally disagree,

1, you spend time explaining to the kids that the best behaved get to help, and then confuse them by getting someone up who's not being good.

2, Remember he's not spoiling the show for you, he's spoiling it for everyone else and there is a good chance that he will continue to be an even bigger problem once he comes up and is well within grab range and thus totally spoil the routine/show.

Even the best behaved kid can turn into the assistant from hell when the excitement of being picked downloads all the sugar in their system in one go, why would you want to start at an even greater disadvantage by picking one who's already causing trouble?.
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Clive "Emazdad" Hemsley
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On 2004-12-08 12:13, thesecretllama wrote:
This is why I include the "heckler" in the show.


That seems typical of parents in this day and age. When a child plays up, reward them to shut them up. Crazy??????????????????
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I make the point of not rewarding them by acting as if I'm about to pick the trouble-maker. Then saying "oh, sorry ,you where standing up (shouting/pouring coke over someones head, whatever) during the last trick so I better pick someone who has been good. They usually go "aww" and I say "well if you behave for the next tricks you might get to go up later".
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