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ddyment Inner circle Gibsons, BC, Canada 2501 Posts 
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... having used the brute method myself, you actually do subconsciously or consciously create associations. To the extent that one is doing this, however, one is using classical mnemonic techniques, not simply brute force; consequently, some of the benefits of mnemonic association will apply. This said, however, if one is not using a consistent mnemonic strategy for the entire stack, one will not reap the full benefits of same. The associations will be more arbitrary/random, and thus less amenable to systematic recall; in this sense, they are similar to the approach of rule-based systems, such as those by Joyal and Matt. ... Doug
The Deceptionary :: Elegant, Literate, Contemporary Mentalism ... and More :: (order "Calculated Thoughts" from Vanishing Inc.)
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asper Veteran user 364 Posts
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I learned 2 a day. Spent 10 minutes on each card.
I did a review every day as I brushed my teeth and twice before I nodded off (like counting sheep). I had the Tamariz stack down cold after 26 days with not much work. (It was easier for me to find 10 minutes a day, than a block of 4 hours). All of these techniques will work. You just have to pick one, FOCUS, and GET TO WORK. Asper |
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BarryFernelius Inner circle Still learning, even though I've made 2537 Posts
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I believe that any reasonably intelligent person who knows 6-7 people's phone numbers has the prowess required to memorize a deck. You can do marathon 4 hour sessions or you can break the task up into smaller chunks. For me, in 3-4 days I can get a stack into my head, and by the end of one month of drill, I can know the stack cold, and I'm ready to get to work on effects.
Learning a stack is SO much easier than learning how to do a moderately difficult sleight-of-hand move like a pass! But I think I already know why memorized deck work isn't being done by most magicians. I have many magician friends who say that they want to do memorized deck work, but they believe that they can't memorize a deck, no matter what method they might try. I suspect that these folks are correct. 
"To achieve great things, two things are needed: a plan and not quite enough time."
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Renaldi Regular user Toronto, Canada 106 Posts
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StackView mentioned above is both an excellent learning and refresher tool. It has a great test feature. Thanks Nick for this invaluable resource. It is a gem and must have taken a lot of work to put it together.
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paulajayne Inner circle London England 1160 Posts
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Hi
Hi I always record new patter and stacks and listen and repeat them as I drive. When I was learning to fly I always did landing checks as I was driving along. Breaks Undercarriage Mixture Fuel pump Flaps Altitude Radio check BUMFFAR LOL Paula
Paula Jay - Magic to Remember -
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falcon New user 15 Posts
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I had memorized the Nikola's deck using word association. Initially it took a lot of time. But when I learned about the Aronson stack it took only 45 minutes to memorize. The accuracy was excellent but it took a few day before the speed was proficient.
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anthonyb Regular user 155 Posts
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Has anyone adapted Stackview for Mac or Unix?
As said by several, the best way is what suits you. I am learning Aronson's by "Brute Force" from number one onward but am wondering if by suits is better? I am doing it the above way because my first use for the MD is a diary-type trick where I have to associate a card with a known number. I do confirm that writing numbers on the back of cards is very helpful, providing a test for the learner..
Anthony Brahams
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munger Loyal user austria 265 Posts
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Read loraynes "develop a supper power memory",
I memorized a deck in 2 days and worked with it the next week. |
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andre combrinck Special user South Africa 953 Posts
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Have you tried Osterlind's Breakthrough Card system?
I think this is one of the best stacks.The card seem so random that nobody will suspect a thing. Andre |
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Geoff Williams Special user St. Pete Beach, FL 617 Posts
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I have written manuscripts on how to quickly learn both the Aronson stack (I learned it in an hour while driving) as well as Mnemonica.
I taught a 10-yr. old girl the Aronson stack in 90 minutes. If interested, check out http://gwilliamsmagic.wix.com/gwproducts......eck/c2yw (or PM me with any questions you may have). Geoff
"Saját légpárnás tele van angolnák."
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Francois Lagrange Veteran user Paris, France 383 Posts
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Either that, or if you have an Android phone, you could do worse than download this free app: MemDeckPro
Excellent app for any memorized deck. Many settings, very intuitive and ads free.
Protect me from my friends, I'll deal with my enemies.
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Mikey7938 New user 14 Posts
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Does anyone know a good source for sealed standard cards (preferably Tally-Ho Circle Backs but I'll take what I can find) that come pre "stacked"? I know that the Méliès deck does but I'm looking for a standard looking deck. Please PM me if you have a source. Thank you!
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tom_stamm Loyal user Los Angeles 248 Posts
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On Jul 2, 2016, Mikey7938 wrote: Mickey: I found this through google: http://unitedcardists.com/viewtopic.php?t=1633
Just Some Guy.
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Mikey7938 New user 14 Posts
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Thanks Tom- much obliged!
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scott0819 Inner circle Toronto, Ont. 1040 Posts
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On Jul 2, 2016, Mikey7938 wrote: If this is something you do often I would suggest investing in a Wonder Sealer (if you can find one) so you can seal your own decks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXJRo0xUWgI |
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Shikanominarazu Loyal user 259 Posts
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It's also not terribly difficult to open up a deck and reseal it. It is, however, tedious.
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Imirik New user 28 Posts
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On Jun 17, 2016, Francois Lagrange wrote: Decent app but I found it even easier in the end to just use a regular flash card app instead. Then you can even mix the face to position and position to face cards together. I find it a lot easier to memorise while learning both directions together. The one I'm using is called Ankidroid. |
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goochelen New user Hexagonia 76 Posts
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On Aug 20, 2016, Imirik wrote: Did you create your own Mnemonica deck or is there one already available on the Akidroid website (I did not find one, hence my question) ? |
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mtgoldstein Veteran user Houston, TX 325 Posts
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Best apps in my opinion.
Samuel Gherman : ultimate Mnemonica trainer, ultimate Aronson Trainer, ultimate stack trainer, and ultimate major system trainer. |
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Francois Lagrange Veteran user Paris, France 383 Posts
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On Aug 20, 2016, Imirik wrote: No disrespect Imirik, but I don't think you have even scratched the surface of what MemDeckPro can offer. You can mix face to position and position to face, even better you can practice with (fixed or random) intervals such as +1,+2 etc... i.e. what's the card x positions away (positive or negative) from the one displayed. Furthermore you can use audio, instead of visual, clues if you're on the move. If you like to learn using mnemonics, you can set hints for your cards and be tested on them, etc. You can even group hard-to-recall cards together and train specifically on them. If you're training to recall the stack as fast as possible (as you would need in some effects such as Aronson's Histed Heisted), this app is difficult to beat. As I said, many more settings. In the end, this app might not be for you, but you won't know until you give it a fair try. It comes with a thorough help file which is well worth reading. As you can tell I'm a fan, and I am not the only one as it has hundreds of downloads. It's allowed me to learn my stack cold in 2 weeks, and in French as it allows for nearly any language. Best of all it's free and ads free. If you need some extra stuff, you can contact the Italian developer who's very friendly.
Protect me from my friends, I'll deal with my enemies.
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