

VernonOnCoins Inner circle NYC 1876 Posts 
I'm surprised this book hasn't made its way over to here yet. Plenty of mentalism in here....any thoughts?

Juan D Elite user 482 Posts 
I've been using this "deck" for so long (The spanish version of the books was released long time ago), the material is incredible in regards of mental magic and mentalism (which is the only thing I do).
However I'm pretty sure that many will pass it due to the work involved in "making up" the deck, which is fine with me. 
Marc Spelmann Special user London U.K. 666 Posts 
Hi guys,
I have just got the book and have not yet started reading it but just wanted to find out if the effects can be adapted to other memorized stacks as I use Simon Aronsons with a little twist here and there.. M.S.
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Stephen Long Inner circle 1481 Posts 
Marc,
Most of the effects in the book are stack independent so you should have no trouble.
Hello.

david_a_whitehead Inner circle USA 2122 Posts 
Excellent book for mentalists if they dare use cards

Marc Spelmann Special user London U.K. 666 Posts 
Thanks guys, read over it last night and I see what you mean, some routines are based on Juans specific stack but it is a great book for those who dare use cards and I am one of them..
Thanks for the info M.S.
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Vraagaard Inner circle Copenhagen, Denmark 1193 Posts 
Some questions.
1) Is Tamariz' stack "random" in the sense that it looks shuffled when showing the cards to the spectators? 2) Will you know which card is in which position in the decke.g., that 7 of hearts is number 17 in the stack? 3) The tittle of the book implies that the stack is remembered through a mnemonic system. Is that correct? 4) Is it possible via mathematical formula to calculate the positions of each card? 5) I love Osterlind's BCS stack, however, for some effects I would like to know the positions of all the cards. Hope you can answer these questions. 
Nir Dahan Inner circle Munich, Germany 1390 Posts 
1) yes
2) yes 3) no 4) no (actually yes since it uses Faro shuffles from NDO  but I haven't seen anyone crazy enough to calculate the outcome of 4 Faros in their heads...) 5) where is the question? 
david_a_whitehead Inner circle USA 2122 Posts 
Vraaguard,
I suggest you research what a memorized deck is. The Tamariz Stack is a memorized stack and thus has all the properties (and more!) that memorized stacks take. Osterlind's stack is not a memorized deck. If you are primarily interested in mentalism routine, the effort it takes to master this particular stack is probably not worth it. Stick with Osterlind's, or Doug Dyment's excellent formulabased memorized deck, Quickstack. The true advantages of Tamariz' stack is the fact that you can get into it from NDO and get from it into NDO, also stay stack and his thinking behind his routines. They will benefit magicians more in these regards. I am fascinated with this type of work, and my card repertoire right now consists almost exclusively of memorized deck routines, pseudo memorization routines, etc. Then again I have no qualms with using cards in a standard mentalism set. 
Vraagaard Inner circle Copenhagen, Denmark 1193 Posts 
You see, I'd like to do some of Charles Gauci's brilliant routines that rely's on knowing the position of every card in the deck. And although I could use Gauci's stack I would prefer a stack that looks genuinly random and shuffled  which Gauci's do not.
I have absolutely no need to get into anything from faro shuffles. But I guess you can just start with Tamariz's stack in the right order. I simply start with the deck stacked and then perform a false shuffle and some cuts. So thanks for the answers. It sounds like I could use the Tamariz' stack for these effects. Regards Vraagaard 
Kjellstrom Inner circle Sweden, Scandinavia, Europe 4955 Posts 
You can use the amazing new ESP deck for the Mnemonica Stack, check it out here:
http://www.symbologydeck.com/ A perfect deck for a mentalist...
Website: http://www.matskjellstrom.se

david_a_whitehead Inner circle USA 2122 Posts 
You don't need to use faros for the Tamariz stack

Kjellstrom Inner circle Sweden, Scandinavia, Europe 4955 Posts 
Quote:
On 20041003 08:58, david_a_whitehead wrote: Faro Shuffle is very useful together with Tamariz Stack: yo can bring a new deck to Tamariz stack with 4 full faros plus a partial faro. Its also possible to bring the Tamariz stack to stay stack order with a few faros.
Website: http://www.matskjellstrom.se

david_a_whitehead Inner circle USA 2122 Posts 
Yes, but you don't HAVE to use faros. You can get into his stack with antifaros and get into/out of stay stack, NDO etc using antifaros. The antifaro Juan describes is a simple dealing procedure.

Matt Andrews Loyal user Switzerland 219 Posts 
Vraagaard
Using a mnemonic system (like the peg system) you can learn the BCS deck as memorized deck. Actually Richard wrote the peg words to learn his deck in this post I learned both Simon Aronson's and Richard Osterlind's decks and because I don't use the builtin effects of Simon Aronson, I stay with the BCS as a memorized deck (with the builtin insurance of the BCS). I have ordered mnemonica and will see if I will learn the new deck. I'm looking forward to a few effects in this book already (see other reviews on the café). Sincerely Matt
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Vraagaard Inner circle Copenhagen, Denmark 1193 Posts 
Dear Matt, Very valuable, thanks. I'll simply stick to the BCS as a memorized stack too. Further, I'll buy Mnemonica to check out if there are any new really cool mental effects with cards.

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