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VernonOnCoins
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I'm surprised this book hasn't made its way over to here yet. Plenty of mentalism in here....any thoughts?
Juan D
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I've been using this "deck" for so long (The spanish version of the books was released long time ago), the material is incredible in regards of mental magic and mentalism (which is the only thing I do).

However I'm pretty sure that many will pass it due to the work involved in "making up" the deck, which is fine with me.
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Hi guys,

I have just got the book and have not yet started reading it but just wanted to find out if the effects can be adapted to other memorized stacks as I use Simon Aronsons with a little twist here and there..

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Stephen Long
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Marc,
Most of the effects in the book are stack independent so you should have no trouble.
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david_a_whitehead
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Excellent book for mentalists if they dare use cards
Marc Spelmann
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Thanks guys, read over it last night and I see what you mean, some routines are based on Juans specific stack but it is a great book for those who dare use cards and I am one of them..

Thanks for the info

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Some questions.

1) Is Tamariz' stack "random" in the sense that it looks shuffled when showing the cards to the spectators?

2) Will you know which card is in which position in the deck---e.g., that 7 of hearts is number 17 in the stack?

3) The tittle of the book implies that the stack is remembered through a mnemonic system. Is that correct?

4) Is it possible via mathematical formula to calculate the positions of each card?

5) I love Osterlind's BCS stack, however, for some effects I would like to know the positions of all the cards.

Hope you can answer these questions.
Nir Dahan
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1) yes
2) yes
3) no
4) no (actually yes since it uses Faro shuffles from NDO - but I haven't seen anyone crazy enough to calculate the outcome of 4 Faros in their heads...)
5) where is the question?
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Vraaguard,

I suggest you research what a memorized deck is. The Tamariz Stack is a memorized stack and thus has all the properties (and more!) that memorized stacks take.

Osterlind's stack is not a memorized deck. If you are primarily interested in mentalism routine, the effort it takes to master this particular stack is probably not worth it. Stick with Osterlind's, or Doug Dyment's excellent formula-based memorized deck, Quickstack.

The true advantages of Tamariz' stack is the fact that you can get into it from NDO and get from it into NDO, also stay stack and his thinking behind his routines. They will benefit magicians more in these regards.

I am fascinated with this type of work, and my card repertoire right now consists almost exclusively of memorized deck routines, pseudo memorization routines, etc. Then again I have no qualms with using cards in a standard mentalism set.
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You see, I'd like to do some of Charles Gauci's brilliant routines that rely's on knowing the position of every card in the deck. And although I could use Gauci's stack I would prefer a stack that looks genuinly random and shuffled - which Gauci's do not.

I have absolutely no need to get into anything from faro shuffles. But I guess you can just start with Tamariz's stack in the right order. I simply start with the deck stacked and then perform a false shuffle and some cuts.

So thanks for the answers. It sounds like I could use the Tamariz' stack for these effects.

Regards

Vraagaard
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You can use the amazing new ESP deck for the Mnemonica Stack, check it out here:
http://www.symbology-deck.com/
A perfect deck for a mentalist...
david_a_whitehead
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You don't need to use faros for the Tamariz stack
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Quote:
On 2004-10-03 08:58, david_a_whitehead wrote:
You don't need to use faros for the Tamariz stack


Faro Shuffle is very useful together with Tamariz Stack: yo can bring a new deck to Tamariz stack with 4 full faros plus a partial faro.
Its also possible to bring the Tamariz stack to stay stack order with a few faros.
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Yes, but you don't HAVE to use faros. You can get into his stack with antifaros and get into/out of stay stack, NDO etc using antifaros. The antifaro Juan describes is a simple dealing procedure.
Matt Andrews
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Vraagaard

Using a mnemonic system (like the peg system) you can learn the BCS deck as memorized deck.

Actually Richard wrote the peg words to learn his deck in this post

I learned both Simon Aronson's and Richard Osterlind's decks and because I don't use the built-in effects of Simon Aronson, I stay with the BCS as a memorized deck (with the built-in insurance of the BCS).

I have ordered mnemonica and will see if I will learn the new deck. I'm looking forward to a few effects in this book already (see other reviews on the café).

Sincerely

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Vraagaard
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Dear Matt, Very valuable, thanks. I'll simply stick to the BCS as a memorized stack too. Further, I'll buy Mnemonica to check out if there are any new really cool mental effects with cards.
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