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Zenneth Regular user China - Hong Kong 135 Posts 
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Hi everyone,
May I call your attention to the demonstration video of Impossible twist by mr Mark Mason. The version that Mark demonstrated was the basic one, rather than the advance handling that I have explained in the video. And the advance version is actually a collaboration between me and Bill Goodwin which is much better than the basic version.The reason why mark demonstrated the basic verion is that he wants people to know the alternative handling of this effect. Also, Mark somehow forgot to mention that there is a bonus routine in the Impossible Twist video--Tough Kings. This routine belongs to my friend Michael Lam--who is Lennart Green's student. Tough Kings is a four of a kind revelation routine using Lennart's Top Shot. I didn't explain this routine in the video, as if you familarize with Lennart's materials, you will know the works. Finally, I would like to express my sincere thanks to Guy Hollingworth, Ray Kosby, Bill Goodwin, and Michael for their inspiration and kindly help to me. Zenneth To those who might interested in watching this effect, you can take a look at: http://www.seemagic.co.uk/zkok It is still the basic handling though. |
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techneeqs Regular user Ontario, Canada 105 Posts
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I love that trick, is it using regular cards or......?
Very well done :o) |
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Chris A. Inner circle AKA Chris A. 1123 Posts
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So what does this effect have that Hollingsworths "quartet" and "waving the aces" doesn't?
The way the cards are held in the "impossible twist" looks very awkward. But I guess it's necessary so the forefinger can accomplish "the work".
AKA Chris A.
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brownitus Loyal user 237 Posts
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Great stuff Zenneth!
I am gonna grab myself an Impossible Twist very soon. peace.
"Everything that can be invented has been invented." - Charles H. Duell, US Commissioner of Patents, 1899
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G-Diddy Regular user 111 Posts
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looks very impressive.
Is it as difficult as Hollingworth's waving the aces? |
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Zenneth Regular user China - Hong Kong 135 Posts
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Flip,
No...the effect of Impossible Twist is same as Guy's Waving the Aces and I am just release a video to rip off money. And thank you for telling everyone the moves to accomplish the "work" 
technes, G-didd, This is a video comes with gimmick cards. Personally I think it's easier than Guy's Quartet, but still require some practice. Bobby, thank you for your support! kind regards, Zenneth |
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G-Diddy Regular user 111 Posts
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zenneth,
Does the advanced handling achieve something different than what is shown on your internet video? I haven't been able to find this trick yet in NYC--I ask the magic store every day if they have received it in stock. I lost sleep for three days after watching this act performed- because it appeared really clean. Do you market any other tricks? Regards Gary |
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Zenneth Regular user China - Hong Kong 135 Posts
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G-Diddy
Thank you for your support! Yes, The advance handling is different from the video demonstration. Both mine and Mark Mason's demonstration on the internet are the basic verison. As you probably noticed, in the basic version, the flaw is that I have to replace the last king in order to finish the reverse. This problem was solved after Bill Goodwin gave me an excellent idea. He is really a genius!!! I didn't martket other tricks so far, but I have done a one man issue for Ego magazine ( The second deal forum ) Should be out within next week. If you are interested in my video clips, you can find the links in my homepage: http://www.geocities.com/zennethkok I hope you will enjoy watching them 
Zenneth |
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Dr. Jakks Special user 832 Posts
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Will you make a demo of the advanced version? If you would, it would really be a convincer to buy.
Jakks |
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Raj New user UK 22 Posts
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Zenneth...
Long time no speak, how's it going man? Getting a nice response here and already Peter's got it at Alakazam (www.Alakazam.co.uk) I agree with Jakks, though, it'd be nice to see the advanced version. If you do film it - I'll be happy to upload it to SeeMagic. Though, if there's any contract restrictions, then don't worry - it's cool. Raj |
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Chris A. Inner circle AKA Chris A. 1123 Posts
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Quote: Nice attempt to "twist" my words. Pun intended! On 2002-09-07 20:57, Zenneth wrote: 
I never claimed you were out to "rip off" anybody. I just mentioned that your effect looks a lot less clean and basically offers nothing you can't get from using the superior *IMHO* quartet handling. I'm sure you'll get plenty of sales as there are always those out there looking for the "newest thing" However, Hollingsworth's "quartet" costs only $18 compared to $25 for yours. "Quartet" also gives you 10 extra routines that aren't simply "twisting the aces". Not just the one additional routine you offer on your tape. Now aside from the claim that yours is a bit "easier" than "quartet", why else should I feel that your version is a better value? Because it comes with a videotape? As for "tipping your method" I did no such thing. I simply pointed out that the movement of a certain finger would be self evident to a blind man.
AKA Chris A.
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Raj New user UK 22 Posts
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Hi Flip...
I've come to know Zenneth for some time now and I'm pretty sure that he was joking. Hence his laughing icon!
Just a little point though, I think Guy's version requires replacements after each card is shown to turn face up. In Impossible Twist you just keep on going... though Zenneth, correct me if I'm wrong. Anyway, no harm caused. Raj |
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Chris A. Inner circle AKA Chris A. 1123 Posts
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Quote: Sure, but he is posting an ad for his product here. Don't you think people should be aware that his version is more expensive and adds very little (if anything)to hollingworth's version?
On 2002-09-08 16:00, Raj wrote: Anyways, watch hollingworth perform "waving the aces" using the quartet gaff on "Worlds greatest magic" It looks incredibly more "clean" and magical than the impossible twist. Impossible requires that you hold the cards in a very cramped and suspicious looking way. (especially when you consider how the forefinger has to vanish behind the spread) Somehow I don't think the "impossible twist" will be featured on any "greatest of shows" anytime soon. "Impossible" is a serviceable method that sacrifices cleanliness of effect for ease of handling.
AKA Chris A.
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Dr. Jakks Special user 832 Posts
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Well, They bothhave their high points. Zenneth's can be done over and over with no pause, but I am partial to Waving the Aces.
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Luke Dancy Inner circle Las Vegas 1162 Posts
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I must admit that the first time I saw the "Impossible Twist" demo I wasn't very impressed. This adds nothing to the original Hollingworth method except a very awkward grip of the cards. Not to mention the Hollingworth version is extremely easy to get into and have with you rather than a packet of cards that come in a video box.
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Dr. Jakks Special user 832 Posts
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That is why I want Zenneth to demo the final ace(or whatever card) turning over, advanced style.
Jakks |
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zoneinfinite New user 90 Posts
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Yep the reason I didn't buy this is because of the unnatural handling of the cards...
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Dan Farmer Loyal user Northern Nevada 235 Posts
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Perhaps it's just because I haven't seen Guy perform waving the aces (I have a video off of knucklebusters) but I think Zenneth's looks much better because there isn't half as much "fiddling around" with the cards as there is in the video I have. He changes a card, fiddles with the pack, changes and fiddles and so on.
Like I said, maybe if I saw Guy Hollingworth himself perform I'd change my mind but I think it looks great Zenneth. |
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Chris A. Inner circle AKA Chris A. 1123 Posts
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Quote: The video you're referring to on knucklebusters is the "ungaffed version" from "drawing room decections".
On 2002-09-09 12:13, Dan Farmer wrote: It is *not* the version using the "quartet" gimmick which is what we're talkin about. Hunt down a copy of worlds greatest magic or watch someone who knows how to use the 'quartet' gimmick. You'll see how much cleaner it looks. And without the cramped handling of the "impossible twist". Quote: On 2002-09-09 12:32, Flip wrote:
AKA Chris A.
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Dan Farmer Loyal user Northern Nevada 235 Posts
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Well since it wasn't marked I didn't know. Sorry to have raised your blood pressure so much
 Crikey.
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