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triXter9669 Loyal user 235 Posts |
Hello all. I was just wondering if you could recommend GOOD BOOKS/DVDs/VIDEOS that have to do with anchoring.
I have the basic knowledge of how to anchor, and I have many tapes and books from Richard Bandler and John Grinder. The problem is, in the videos, as he is about to go into an explanation of some sort, he wanders off into a story and never finishes, and it's very frustrating. I have read that some of you can make a drink taste REALLY bad or REALLY good and INTENSIFY this taste/feeling. These are the things I would like to learn. Can anyone recommend or point me in the right direction? Thanks. Posted: Oct 7, 2004 5:48pm --------------------------------------- PLEASE someone help me out. It would be greatly appreciated. |
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procyonrising Special user New York 698 Posts |
Those stories are what make Richard great. Sorry you're missing out. Sure, they have no point, but NLP has no point, and that's the point.
If you have a basic knowledge of anchoring, that's good. That's all you really need. Mentalism is like that too: everyone, in the beginning, wants to go with really technical stuff, like hidden mics and electronic pads, but everyone ends up coming back to the basics. Best, James. |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
You might want to use the search function and look for some of the posts by a Café member named "shrink." He has thought a lot about this and written a number of interesting posts about the application of hypnosis and NLP to mentalism.
Jack Shalom
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majhra New user Australia 61 Posts |
Trix,
You have a basic understanding of anchoring. Watch the video and watch Richard and john anchor the audience. They may use a word, movement, expression, or anything else. It will probably help if you turn down the audio off and focus your attention only on where their body is pointing or standing, or maybe what their arms are doing. The stories are not accidental. They are themselves part of the anchors being set and fired. PM me if you want more assistance. Enjoy. M. |
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peterng25 New user 90 Posts |
Majhra, I would really appreciate your assistance too.
I think that Erickson's hypnosis technique uses a lot of tonality, suggestions, embedded commands, and seemingly gentle and rambling storytelling. Is that correct? What I should watch for then would be the subtle interaction between the therapist and the participant. |
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Danial New user 1 Post |
Hi,
Something that I see often is that people only want a small portion of an effect or technique. The thing that looks cool, or sounds cool. This is a natural response, but most likely unrealistic. The same is true for anchoring. I would seriously recommend that you spend more time learning other basics of NLP along with anchoring. Think back to when you saw your first magic trick, and said to yourself "I have to learn that!" The steps between that emotion and learning the trick are usually many, and you may have had to perfect many small steps to get to the place where you could do that trick. NLP is the same way. Take small steps, learn the basics and how to use them as well. Just like magic, NLP needs to be practiced on people, and responses monitored. You will know when you start to get it right. But don't stop there. There are so many places a basic knowledge of NLP can be applied in life, not just magic. Danial |
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procyonrising Special user New York 698 Posts |
http://www.GeorgeBien.com - video on NLP techniques.
George makes it really easy to understand (and the info he offers on the tape is a bargain at his prices). Additionally, we're probably running an NLP introductory training in New York City sometime in December. Admission is free. (And you have my word that anchoring is demonstrated, taught, and explained). |
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Joshua Quinn Inner circle with an outer triangle 2054 Posts |
Re: George Bien
Not to knock him, as I never heard of him before I checked his site five minutes ago, but the fact that, in the year 2004, the guy still makes his customers send in an order form via snail mail rather than letting them order online (or even by phone). Makes me just a little suspicious of his status as a master of rapport, persuasion, and sales techniques. Maybe he should show some of his tapes to his marketing director.
Every problem contains the seeds of its own solution. Unfortunately every problem also contains the seeds of an infinite number of non-solutions, so that first part really isn't super helpful.
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procyonrising Special user New York 698 Posts |
Hi Quinn,
Actually, I know George. And the order form was my idea, so I'll explain it. George hates selling things to people. While I won't go so far as to say he's wealthy, we're both people who are "very comfortable," so we don't really care about selling a video here or there. It would be super-easy to put a PayPal button there, but he only wants to sell the tapes to serious students - and only people who are seriously interested in the material would print the thing out and mail it in. Do you get it? He has the luxury - and the means - to decide what kinds of people he wants to deal with in his life. Imagine this: if you didn't need to sell anything for the rest of your life, would you want to deal with all these different yahoos around the world complaining about their orders? It happens to all businesses; he just doesn't think it's worth it. You can handle a complaint worth $50, or you can handle a complaint worth $5,000. Same amount of time, big difference, though. So why deal with anyone at all? Serious students are different. They pay attention to the details, the important stuff. Those are people we like. Lastly, I'm just going to say that there's no correlation between being a master of rapport and installing a PayPal button on your website. When I included the link, I thought I was doing everyone a favor. But, hey, if I made a mistake, I apologize. No one has to get the tapes. I've got no problem with that (and trust me, George is happy he's not dealing with people who aren't in line for his stuff). The marketing director, James. ____________ Hey Quinn, Re-reading that post, I may have been a bit curt. I've been up all night working on a Fulbright. Apologies for not crafting a nicer reply. No offense intended, Quinn. Best, James. |
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triXter9669 Loyal user 235 Posts |
Hey, thanks for all of the replies.
I am in the process of ordering some Milton Erickson tapes. As I have mentioned I have some books on the subject (NLP) as well as a few videos. I'm not coming into this TOTALLY NEW, but I do know the basics of human behavior and the likes that NLP teaches (tonality, language patterns, body language). I'm just looking to get better explanations I believe is all. Thanks. |
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Alan Wright New user Nova Scotia, Canada 71 Posts |
This may sound stupid, but can anybody tell me anything about NLP For Dummies? Hows that?
-- Alan
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shrink Inner circle 2609 Posts |
I know one of the girls who wrote it.
Its dry and pretty useless. I couldn't see any beginner gaining much from it. I believe the authors weren't happy with it either, as they were restricted to the Dummies format which doesn't work in most instances definitely this one. |
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lawrencetreagus New user 61 Posts |
I believe NLP, anchoring and so on has been over complicated. Having studied Kenton, Erickson, Bandler, Grinder and Dilts, I find myself increasingly frustrated by the over complexity of it all.
Erickson never though about "sentence fragmentation", "nominalization", "presuppositions". These words meant nothing to Erickson until Rossi started to break down his work. Erickson did all of these things without thinking. To try to explain these things scientifically distracts us from the simplicity of his work. Admittedly Bandler's/Grinder's early work (trace formations, etc.) gave us an insight, but the rest is merely speculation and cannot be proved. |
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shrink Inner circle 2609 Posts |
They were never meant to be proved. They were modeled and observed, so results could either be duplicated or applied in different contexts.
Consciousness hasn't been proved either, therefore you are merely speculation. |
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lawrencetreagus New user 61 Posts |
Anchoring and suggestion are proved. Their pioneers Bandler/Grinder just became obsessed with their own ideas and once they parted company lost sight.
Suggestion is very simple once the idea is grasped, and "NLP" is only Ericksonian Hypnosis branded with a catchy title so that management companies can be sold training. Trust me I've been offered lucrative contracts to explain things I've learnt but strongly believe don't actually exist. I feel direction has been lost and that if you view current titles of NLP they are on a par with feng shui and other fads that mask and can only disrupt serious work. This is my pet hate and I'm venting my frustration online so the wife gets a good night sleep! |
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shrink Inner circle 2609 Posts |
I laugh when I hear "only Ericksonian hypnosis". Ericksonian style hypnosis is an art that takes many years to perfect then something more. NLP has allowed Ericksonian hypnosis to be applied to many contexts that would otherwise be impossible.
NLP's routes are also in Gestalt therapy and Virginia Satire. I personally use NLP on a regular basis to create results for my clients that cannot be found in other types of therapy/coaching. Like I said, consciousness hasn't been proved but we all know it exists? I do admit, though, you have to spend sometime finding the right NLP company as there are a lot of bad practitioners, trainers out there. I think Bandler is one of them. He may be a genius but from I have seen he is a bad trainer. He is playing with his students and not delivering the skills or knowledge. I can understand why some people think NLP is BS. |
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majhra New user Australia 61 Posts |
Lawrence,
If you think NLP is 'only Ericksonian hypnosis', then you are missing the real potential of NLP. It's not the models (Ericksonian hypnosis is only one of many) that is NLP. While most of the bad practitioners and trainers think NLP is only the models it shows, it's much more. Specifically NLP's real power is being able to model (copy/learn) what someone else does in a manner that is clean from yours (and their) beliefs about what they do, in a manner that gets a complete concise model that you can teach to others. I think you need to go into some of these companies that have offered you work and actually do some 'serious work' with it, not just attempt to explain something you don't yet understand. Enjoy, M. |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
The first few Bandler/Grinder books are pretty direct about the basics of anchoring. If I recall them correctly, you could start with Frogs into Princes and Reframing and be set to go.
What specifically are you missing about anchoring? Establishing Rapport? (Very important.) Accessing a resource? (Pace, then lead them to it.) Anchoring the resource? (Yeah, that is a willful act.) Testing the anchor? (They call it 'firing'.) Teaching them to access the resource. Notice, there is NO meta model clarification process going on here, and no Milton model discussion to play with in this process. If you have the time and interest, the book TranceFormations has the cold reading and advanced Rapport skills work. The first two books, The Structure of Magic Volume 1,2 cover the analysis of language both in words and in body posture expression.
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lawrencetreagus New user 61 Posts |
I shall make myself better. The whole process of linguistics has been natural to me (although my typing may differ). I sometimes feel frustrated because things I grasp easily may differ.
My intention is not one of offence. Regards. |
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suhbreal New user Pittsburgh, PA 87 Posts |
I found the book "Monsters and Magical Sticks" by Stephen Heller and Terry Steele very useful for getting some of these ideas across to me. Not strictly NLP but also didn't find it as dry as the Bandler and Grinder Stuff.
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