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emyers99 Inner circle Columbus, Ohio 4741 Posts |
Has anyone been able to find replacement stickers for this here in the U.S? Thanks.
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caseman New user Greensboro, NC 56 Posts |
Emyers99
Just PM and I will get you the info on where to get the replacement stickers. JBMagic does have them available. Send me a note and we can work it out for you.
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Doomo Inner circle 2365 Posts |
Lets be honest here... I and others saw many variations of this when the movie "Jaws" first came out... many variations... too many... nothing new at all...
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emyers99 Inner circle Columbus, Ohio 4741 Posts |
To each his own, but I can tell you from experience, this kills.
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Review King Eternal Order 14446 Posts |
This effect is wild!!!!!! But, the sticker replacement is costly because you have to buy the whole trick again.
"Of all words of tongue and pen,
the saddest are, "It might have been" ..........John Greenleaf Whittier |
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Jon Allen V.I.P. England 1771 Posts |
For hose that think it's fine to steal a routine as long as you are not passing on the secret to anyone else, imagine this. Anyone who sees a good trick live or the video goes ahead and make it up themselves. If everyone does this then the creator of the routine makes absolutely no money from their creation. Everyone is doing their trick but there is no benefit to the creator. I am sure nobody would think this is okay. So how many people does it take to steal a routine and not reward the creator before it becomes wrong?
There is a trick on JBTV that I think is fantastic. I figured it out and can easily make it myself. However, I am still going to buy the original to reward the creator for bringing it to my attention. If people just watch a video online and steal from the creator, there will be a backlash in the long run. People will refuse to show their tricks online, creators will be reluctant to offer great new effects and the people who can't come up with routines for themselves will have far less good material to steal.
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emyers99 Inner circle Columbus, Ohio 4741 Posts |
MagicChris, I contacted JB Magic and they do sell replacement stickers. You get 30 stickers for approximately $18 US dollars including shipping. This is too steep for my blood. There has to be a place online where you can buy bulk shark stickers but I haven't found it yet.
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Loz Special user London 777 Posts |
Hi Jon,
Please take this as a type of thought experiment. Perhaps we should all rip off as much as we possibly can to discourage (and make financially unsound) the world of magic marketing? Perhaps we could prevent people making huge amounts of money out of total cack that's been spun out of all proportion? Perhaps we could stem the tide of endlessly remarketed effects published by people 50-100 years ago? Maybe we could even weaken the temptation for anyone and everyone interested in magic to market their effect so they can immediatley claim ownership? Just a thought. L |
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Jon Allen V.I.P. England 1771 Posts |
Hi Loz,
The marketing of a trick is a separate issue to the actual origination and development of it by the creator. As has been shown many times on here, a dealer or distributor may misrepresent a trick independently of the creator. One person's cack is another person's reputation maker. If you want to buy cack then that is up to you. If you want to rip it off then it can't be *that* cack! Remarketing tricks from yesteryear? If by this you mean marketing tricks that don't belong to you that people can download for a few dollars then this *is* something we need to do something about. If you can market something which improves, simplifies, clarifies or whatever an original effect, while giving credit to the originator, then this is acceptable. The idea of ripping off a creator is to see what they have done, take their idea and recreate it for yourself. All you have done is reaped the benefit of all the hard work put in by the creator. Imagine doing a lot of research to come up with a great idea that comes to fruition and someone comes in and goes, "Thanks very much. I can use that." Loz, I think you can identify with that being in your line of work ;-) Getting back to Card Shark, it might be easy to make yourself. However, why not spend the small amount of money to buy one and thank the creator for giving you the kickstart you would never have got without him?
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caseman New user Greensboro, NC 56 Posts |
I really appreciate all the comments on Card Shark and just wanted to clear some issues that have seem to arisen. First, there will be a US distributor that you will be able to get extra stickers from and I am working to find out that information and will report it to you all as soon as I have it. Doomo, I was a little kid when Jaws came out, and didn't know any card tricks then. This effect was independently created by me based on an effect by Richard Sanders called Stickman *(which is great by the way) I was simply trying to put my personality to it and it kept building upon that basic idea till I had what suited me. Whether or not anyone belives that is up to them. I know what I know. It was orginally called Sharky but I sold the rights to JB Magic whon now owns and markets it, and he changed some of the handling to suit less experienced magicians. (He said it sold extremely well at the recent MagiFest) I use this all the time and I go for what laypeople like and believe me they don't just like it, they love it. If you like it do it, if not find what's you and go with that. I appreciate all the comments on both sides and would be happy to discuss it further if anyone would like. Thanks again, and I will post the info on refill stickers as soon as I have it. Thanks much!!
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Review King Eternal Order 14446 Posts |
It's one of the strongest effect I do. Because of the sticker cost, I save it for special times. When they are available in bulk/quantity, it will replace my doing red hot mamma ( which I love ).
Until you try this, you won't knwo the impact it has.
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Loz Special user London 777 Posts |
Thanks for the reply Jon.
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Boat Loyal user 255 Posts |
Caseman you sound like a very classy guy. Congratulations on a great trick!!!
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emyers99 Inner circle Columbus, Ohio 4741 Posts |
In searching the net for stickers, I have found a bunch of shark stickers depicting cartoon sharks from the movie Shark Tale. I think these would work fine and kids would recognize them.
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Clark Special user 957 Posts |
As of this moment this thread is 33 comments deep and if if it runs to 3,333 not one person here can justify stealing.
I love the way the water gets so muddy somehow in magic over the issue of dishonestly. When I was raised a person who stole was a low life, period. Are there two ways to see this? If so please educate me and save me from my modest stupidity. People feel that stealing in magic is acceptable only because there is no direct mechanism of punishment in magic. All I can is that our magical society is indeed in a poor place if the only thing that would keep you honest is the fear of a punishment. There is much mention of "love for the craft" yet so precious few have the integrity to pay a few measly bucks to someone who took the time to share their ideas, but hell, then again a thief doesn't even have self respect much less respect of someone else. All this talk of variations ("I saw a shark back when Jaws came out") please, everything is a variation of something. I guess no one who has developed a Triumph handling since Vernon deserves credit for their efforts? Maybe we should not have paid for any of those books either? Many of the people here are using the fact that Card Shark applies known methods to accomplish the effect as an excuse to not pay to use the idea. I want to mention as well that people are saying they "watched the demo video and figured it out so why pay?" The fact that you had the opportunity to watch a demo shows honesty from the creator. One could have listed the description if the effect as usual and given every bit of the effort to deceptive advertising instead of the effects creation, as in most cases. At the very least Caseman gave you the honest opportunity to view the effect and make a judgment on the real effect and not some over exaggerated description. Stealing the effect after someone giving you an opportunity to judge by the tricks actual look is as low as it gets. This type of thievery is the reason for all the lies in magic's advertising in the first place. And Jesus Christ, how can anyone tell that they have found cheap shark stickers on the net in good conscious? Why don't you let us all know if you find a good contact online for any future stealing that we can all participate in...in the world of the immortal Charlie Brown, "Good grief!!"
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emyers99 Inner circle Columbus, Ohio 4741 Posts |
Clark, while I agree with most of your post, your comment about stickers is way off base. I purchased the effect. I did not steal it. I perform it all the time and love it. The stickers have nothing to do with the effect or the method. They are simply stickers. I'm not paying $18 for 30 stickers plain and simple. The fact that I use another type of shark sticker hardly makes me unethical. It simply makes me a smart consumer. I am a lawyer and know all about theft. I totally believe Mr. Caseman deserves to be rewarded for his creation. I have done so by purchasing his effect from JB Magic. That said, I believe I have the right to use any stickers I want.
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Jon Allen V.I.P. England 1771 Posts |
I think the problem with the stickers came about because now people who have stolen the effect now have and fed to them a source for the stickers. They had the idea spoon fed to them; then the routine and now the hardware.
I think tha if someone wants to help someone else who ahs bought the effect, send them a PM.
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Clark Special user 957 Posts |
Dear Mr. smart consumer, with all due respect I really don't think that my comment about stickers is off base at all. I think that if you bought the effect you have the right to use whatever stickers you would like, but as Jon has pointed out above, you have also helped give supplies and ideas to people who are stealing plain and simple. You having full knowledge of the posts that have been in total support of the theft of the routine should not (in my opinion) have spread the idea of the "Shark Tale" stickers.
I am not a lawyer, nor do I need to be to see clearly that the post was irresponsible. That being said, I respect the fact that you have spent the time and money to give Caseman his due.
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emyers99 Inner circle Columbus, Ohio 4741 Posts |
I certainly do not support ripping off an effect as stated. I understand your concern and agree with your point. If someone wants to rip off this effect, I'm sure the sticker is the least of their worries as the trick is in no way sticker dependant. My post was simply for people like me who have purchased the effect and who don't want to pay an arm and a leg for replacement stickers. Thieves will be thieves and I do not in any way condone it, but I do not think that should stop those of us with legitimate questions from sharing info on this board as long as no secrets are revealed.
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Clark Special user 957 Posts |
Emyers99, I feel you boss. Like I said, my personal opinion is that you paid for yo ur right to do what you will with the effect. In my mind you are not even part of the problem here. I am a "no one" in magic and my opinion does not count for much, but I hate to see the people in question get any help from the likes of you and I (if I may group us together) when they are degrading an art form that is fighting for crediblity as is.
back to the original point for one moment I would like to say that in my opinion card Shark is a very visual and suprising effect. Cody is right, it is true laymen magic and I think it makes for great magic for adults as well as having a good angle for children. The bite out of the card takes the trick the "extra mile" that everyone looks for in a solid piece of magic. I think it falls in the catagory of "can't go wrong " effects for the general public. All the above listed debating over handling finess seems to be misplaced and pointing towards what a magician would need. Nothing more than a personal preference dicussion that has little to do with the overall effect to laymen. I happen to know that Caseman had only laymen in mind when developing the idea so impressing, or 'fooling' magicians wasn't ever the point. If anyone doubts the tricks effectivness I would have to think it is becuase they have not tried it. Give it a try and you will see that it works for the group that matters.
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