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shrink Inner circle 2609 Posts |
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. In motivation instructions the subjects are told: This seems very much like an induction to me. They are just not using what most people recognise as an induction. Never the less they are using trance work. |
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Dr Omni Regular user UK 199 Posts |
The literature on hypnosis is absolutely colossal, but the number of really good books on the subject is fairly small. The central figure in the development of contemporary hypnotherapy was Dr Milton H. Erickson, who really transformed it into a versatile tool for therapy, tailored to the individual. Two good summaries of Ericksonian hypnotherapy are:
Richard Bandler & John Grinder, Trance-formations Rubin Battino and Tom South, Ericksonian Approaches Erickson wrote a vast number of papers, articles, encycopedia entries, monographs, lectures, workshop notes and the like, but never summarised his life's work in a single accessible volume. His writings have been assembled into numerous volumes, probably the most authoritative of which are the four volumes of "Collected Papers of MHE on Hypnosis", edited by Ernst Rossi. There is a considerable gap between hypnotherapy and stage hypnosis, the latter being fundamentally about entertainment and showmanship. Although there are thousands of books on hypnotherapy, there are very few on stage hypnosis, and the two best (as mentioned above by other posters) are: Ormond McGill, New Encyclopedia of Stage Hypnotism Jerry Valley, Inside Secrets of Professional Stage Hypnotism If you want to read one book as a complete beginner, a good start is Paul McKeena's "The Hypnotic World of Paul McKenna". For those outside the UK, Paul McKenna is Britain's leading stage hypnotist, whose TV show was vastly popular back in the 1990s. His book crosses the line between hypnotherapy and stage hypnosis. |
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Thoughtreader Inner circle Calgary, Alberta, Canada 1565 Posts |
One only need watch Ormond work a show NOW, even at his age to see what a consumate performer he really is and that everything he wrote about was "the real thing". If you ever get the chance to see this master work, do it!
PSIncerely Yours, Paul Alberstat |
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Peter695 Regular user 102 Posts |
I have a stack of videos of various performers including comtemporaries. I just don't understand what people are talking about when they say Ormond is dated. Some of the terms used in his writings are dated, but as far as the shows go, I don't see the difference. "The room is cold" and "You are holding a puppy" have been around for ages. Is it the lighting or costuming or attitude that people are saying are new? I'm asking and not making a comment. What about shows now are edgy?
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Paradox Regular user 178 Posts |
Haven't seen Ormond for over a decade. He gave me my 1st instruction in hypnosis in Palo Alto Ca back in the 50s. I consider him an absolute master and a really great guy.
I'm not a fan of the Bob Baker THEY CALL IT HYPNOSIS approach. I read the book some time ago & kept asking myself "They call ?WHAT? hypnosis?" If you don't call it hypnosis, what DO you call it? To me, Baker is one of the ultraskeptic crowd that starts out by DENYING the existence of something, and then bends over backward to try to "prove" it doesn't exist. You know, the Randiesque, CSICOP approach. I'd wholeheartedly recommend anything Ormond wrote on the subject of stage hypnosis. (By the way, Dr. Erickson got his basic hypnosis strategies from watching stage hypnotists.) |
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Peter695 Regular user 102 Posts |
Really? Sex sells?
Not that I'm knocking your response, long memory. I appreciate it. My point is, I haven't seen one example of any shows that I would consider new in technique or content. That doesn't mean they're not out there. Orman gives several examples of rapid and instant inductions if I remember correctly. Jerry Valley has used glitz for decades. He even uses dancers. Plenty of older hypnotists offer adult or "X" rated parties and shows. I do see your point. I guess I'm having the same reaction as when the Hollywood madam, Heidi Fleiss was busted - really; sex and cocaine in the show biz crowd? (Edit)I don't really have too much of a point. I just appreciate what Orman did for all of us. Thanks Orman. Peter |
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Millard123 Regular user Millard Longman 174 Posts |
Please remember that I heartily endorse Ormond McGill’s books and I also endorse the Robert Baker book.
The original questioner has no experience in hypnosis and that is why I cautioned him about some of the things in Ormond’s book. As we gain experience, we know which things to do now and which things to not do now. Ormond himself no longer does many of the stunts that are in his encyclopedia, but those stunts do belong in the encyclopedia for informational purposes. Inexperienced hypnotists should also be aware of the skeptical views that they are sure to encounter, hence my recommendation of the Baker book. I also think that we can learn much from the Baker book by careful reading as pointed out in another post in this thread. In some places the arguments Baker gives actually seem to support hypnosis. BTW, I always wear long pants when I go out; I am 58 years old. Millard |
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limhanchung Veteran user Malaysia 342 Posts |
Where to get Jerry Valley, Inside Secrets of Professional Stage Hypnotism and Ormond McGill, New Encyclopedia of Stage Hypnotism?
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Peter695 Regular user 102 Posts |
For Jerry Valley's book:
Look Here! and click "professional". And for Ormand's book: Look Here! Peter |
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Decomposed Eternal Order High Desert 12056 Posts |
Has anyone read Conversational Hypnosis: A Manual of Indirect Suggestion by Carol Sommer?
Candin
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Decomposed Eternal Order High Desert 12056 Posts |
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On 2002-08-28 11:03, Millard123 wrote: I have this book otw. It seems from what I have read here and other places is it basically is stating hypnosis is just a mindset and does not really exist. They touched on this at a conference/workshop I attended a few days ago that was dealing with the clinical side of hypnosis. One MD (hypnothearpist) told us they still do not understand hypnosis since the brain waves have been debated for years. Makes me wonder why the AMA approved hypnosis in the first place. Converstational "hypnosis" as well as NLP I think would expound on this would it not? Looking forward to reading this book nonetheless. Candin
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RobertTemple Regular user Newcastle, UK 174 Posts |
This is gonna set a huge cat amongst a lot of pigeons. Am I the only one who isn't a great fan of McGills Encyclopedia?
Seems that way! I know its packed with stuff, but I didn't ever find it anything I could learn from. In truth, and again everyone will hate me for saying it but I don't care, I learnt from an amazing 500+ page eBook which teaches everything you could possibly need to know, including a full stage show.... AND you can download it for FREE from here: http://www.hypnotherapycourse.net/ Before anyone suggests it Im not on any form of commission from JR... clearly the book is free. I just genuinely believe its the best resource for a budding hypnotist. Rob http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1gbZt0-x74 |
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
Hi Robert. I agree completely that McGills book is over-rated and not the best resource for someone learning the art. Jonathan Royale's book is more useful - but he takes 500 pages to give 200 pages worth of information. He is a very long-winded writer, but the information seems to be spot on.
I always recommend Eddie Burke's Professional Secrets of Stage and Cabaret Hypnosis to beginners.
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Decomposed Eternal Order High Desert 12056 Posts |
Thanks Tony. Having been resarching for a few months, I have never in my life seen so much marketing, books, tapes, DVDs, even 8 tracks (VHS) made available concerning hypnosis. I remember starting out in mentalism and not seeing 10 percent as much bombardment on the web. It is truly amazing.
Well, back to writing my eBook on NLP. Candin
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