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p.at
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Has flash paper something like a "best before" end date?
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I am sorry, p.at, I really don't know.
I can tell you I had flash paper for some years (2 or 3)and it has always been working well.

By the way: is it possible to make flash paper (or flash cotton..) by themselves? (I hope the English is correct and you understand the question.)
Thanks
/Andrea
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It is, but you will need about $8000 in start up equipment including facilities for handling two very deadly acids, and a way to control disposal of the acids when you are through. Further, the ingredients themselves are deadly to humans and the environment...
I have the recipe if you want it. BTW, the homemade version is unstable.
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On 2004-10-26 14:36, sanscan wrote:
It is, but you will need about $8000 in start up equipment including facilities for handling two very deadly acids, and a way to control disposal of the acids when you are through. Further, the ingredients themselves are deadly to humans and the environment...
I have the recipe if you want it. BTW, the homemade version is unstable.
Slim Price

Thanks but I am not interested anymore.
It sounds too dangerous.
What about the final product then (flash paper, flash cotton)? Are we sure it is not dangerous? Should I keep it in a special place?
I'm starting to have some doubts..
/Andrea
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Flash paper, when used correctly, is an asset. In small, reasonable quantities it can enhance the work. Today's flash paper in not washed well enough in manufacture, so it degrades in time. Be aware, there are two types; one made of bond paper which is thicker, and a little slower, the other kind is tissue paper, more like cigarette paper, with a much faster burn-rate. In my opinion, if you need it for a crutch in performing, and use a lot of it, you need to look at your performance. Flash paper will burn you if it's the least bit confined and can lead to collateral disasters. Be careful or get very high fees, for damage caused, and to share with the doctors at the burn unit.
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Flash paper is like a fine wine, the longer it sits, the better it tastes. Oh! I mean burns.

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Flash paper is usually shipped wet.

Upon arrival it should be dried in open air. If you don't dry it, it will deteriorate and turn brownish and brittle.

When it's dry, it is a very dangerous item. I have some customers who got their silks burned because it was near their flash papers. A small amount of ash went into his stuff.

Wonder why there seems to be no flash paper produced from Japan?
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A very important part of the making of flash paper is washing and drying. This means washing out ALL the acid content inside the fibers of the cellulose used. With today's methods, less stringent washing is done, making it necessary to ship it wet. All too soon, the residual acids left in the paper cause it to deteriorate. Back when I was still around <G> paper was shipped dry and lasted years. So much for progress! In the late 60s, it was shipped in paper stationary bags, with no problem. The bond type, used mostly by bookies, came trimmed to 8x10 sheets to make it look "normal" and the excess trimmings (2x11 inches) were put in the same bag... That was my supply! <G>
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Thanks for your input...
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I heard a story where someone tried to dry flash paper in a microwave and another tried to iron it dry. POOF! Age never entered into it for me. Humidity, yes. Can you say slow burn? I now keep it in a ziplock bag.
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There was a tip to place it in a metal canister.
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On 2004-10-29 11:40, rmoraleta wrote:
There was a tip to place it in a metal canister.


I prefer the dry flash paper to be in a paper envelope in a ziplock bag. My reason is this; the paper envelope will show signs should the quality of the contents degrade (yellowing, becoming brittle, etc.), the ziplock keeps moisture out. A metal container is likely to permit atmospheric moisture to be absorbed by the paper resulting in corrosion of the container and possible degradation of the paper.

This method has served me well for the last 35 years.
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Hi, I am trying to find out if flash paper can be painted (preferably waterpaints)? Will the dye affect the flash papers reactivity? I know that to glue pieces together you have to use a special glue. Thank you in advance.
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Water colors will not have an adverse affect provided you permit the paper to dry completely.

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You can dip the paper in food coloring as well
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You can also use permanent markers and color it brightly for a better look. It doesn't change the burn-rate.
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On 2006-01-26 19:20, kevinuncanny wrote:
You can dip the paper in food coloring as well



Food coloring is a form of water color.

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I have been making flash products for over 7 years now, supplying many dealers and magicians all over the world. When sending the products in the UK they are always sent dry and packed in envelopes, but when sent overseas I will send them wet. My products are washed for 24 hours, then I dry them, by ironing every sheet dry, I have only ever had 3 sheets go up on me.
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I would like to thank all who replied to my question. It has helped me immensely.
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On 2004-10-29 11:40, rmoraleta wrote:
There was a tip to place it in a metal canister.

Old quote, but since this thread has been resurrected-
Don't store flash paper or flash cotton in a metal canister. Flash cotton used to be stored in metal strong boxes, until an accidental spark ignited a supply of it. As was mentioned earlier upthread, it's dangerous when compressed- flaming material needs room to expand as it burns/explodes. Flash cotton, if compressed in a sealed box, can destroy the box if it ignites, sending metal fragments everywhere at terminal velocities.

I've heard that old 35mm film canisters are a good storage place for flash paper/flash cotton. There's no chance they'll spark when you open/close them, they're watertight, and they'll pop open fairly easily to deal with accidental expansion. I'd try small tupperware containers these days, since digital cameras now seem to be the standard. (Just don't store too much in a single container!)
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