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whizzomagic
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I only know the basic routine with my chop cups and would like to know where to look to find an absolute killer routine!!! Thanks!
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Someone left a link (you will need to scratch around) of Don Alan showing his routine to two presenters on a TV show - he used the most beat up cup you have seen in your life. His whole routine was magical - seems to me it's the presentation that makes it killer - his routine performed by him killed me, the presenters and I'm sure everyone else that watched the show... nothing fancy no wierd loads just his pure chop cup routine performed by a professional entertainer...
catch you later

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I agree that Don Alan had an uncanny ability to present an uncluttered plot, which in turn made his climaxes even stronger by comparison.
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I have his routine using real player. If you want it pm me and I'll figure a way to get it to you. It's his performance on "That's Incredible" from, I think, the 70's. You should see Kathy Lee come out of her chair on the final load.
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There is no such thing as the BEST routine. That's like the BEST cold drink, the BEST sandwich, the BEST pencil. So much of it depends on your presentation.

I like the Don Alan routine, because it is simple and gets right to the punch line. It is an excellent place to start, and it doesn't hurt to stop there, either.

There is an economy of movement and patter and a wealth of magic.
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My routine is INSPIRED by Don Allen. You can see a lot of his influence in it. I kept verbatim the line where he has the spectator put the ball in the cup then take it out then put it back and then he says, "Isn't that fun?"

I've added a few things as a result of talking with other magicians at SAM meetings. I have a good one where I cover the palm with a silk and put the cup on top of that. I then lift the cup and it's penetrated underneath the silk to the palm of my hand.

I'm still working on adding the raven so I can vanish the ball from a spec's hand and it appears under the cup. Of course I can do the move, but I'm playing with where to insert it in the routine.
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The routine which gets the best result for me uses an ordinary mug and a borrowed £5 note.
It returns under the cup a couple of times and then changes to a couple of pieces of fruit.
Don't forget to replace the money from your wallet of course !
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Their are three routines that spring to mind. David Roth's chop cup routine. I have used it for years.

Don Alan's routine...

And Larry Jennings routine. This routine is very good and has a great way to load at the end that is a lesson in magic by it's self...

I hope this helps...
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Videoclips of Don Alan should still be available:
http://members.tripod.com/vidaccess/
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On 2004-10-24 15:51, bishthemagish wrote:


And Larry Jennings routine. This routine is very good and has a great way to load at the end that is a lesson in magic by it's self...




Agreed on Jennings' final load. Definitely a milestone in cup magic.
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You can buy a print copy of the Don Alan Chop Cup Routine here...

http://www.rnt2.com/product.aspx?productno=10

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I should add that I used the Don Alan routine as the starting point of my routine as well.

I just added my own lines and loads.

The Jennings routine is in the Larry Jennings book, if I remember correctly.
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Can anyone tell me where Roth's chop cup routine can be found? I'd like to see his take on it.
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The Jenning's routine, btw, is pretty much a creation of Ron Wilson.
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Isn't that in Ron Wilson's book?
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What is the basic chop cup routine?
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David Roth's routine can be found is his first set of lecture notes from back in 1976.
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Thanks Jonathan. Now the hard part will be trying to track down a copy.
Michael, Ron's chop cup routine "The Uncanny Chop Cup" is in the book "The Uncanny Scot - Ron Wilson" by Richard Kaufman. It's a very clever and unique routine. In the intro to the effect it says that Ron Wilson and Larry Jennings brainstormed together with the chop cup on numerous occasions and that Larry first published his routine in Genii back in 1965. The first time Ron's routine was in print was in the 1987 book.
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On 2004-10-24 19:27, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
David Roth's routine can be found is his first set of lecture notes from back in 1976.
Well, (harhar Smile ) I do have them..but stuffed away as so much of these *smal* pamplets.. Smile...can be difficult to keep track of so many *a few pages only* papers.. Smile

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On 2004-10-24 19:25, rikbrooks wrote:
What is the basic chop cup routine?
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You have a cup, you have a ball..and strange and hopefully entertaining magic happens! Smile

Well, the basic Chop Cup routine is, that a ball is placed into the cup, cup turned upside down, so the ball is catched in YOUR hand, placed in your pocket and the *poor* spec has to guess, weather the ball is in your pocket or under the cup..
This happens a FEW (hopefully FEW!!!!!!!!!!!)times, then much to (hopefully) the specs surprise, one or 2 -after each other- LARGE balls appear under the cup.

Larry Jennings routine normally starts by producing the cup (done seated at a table) and he also does use a single load of a large ball at the end of his routine, very clevery covered by handling a silk used during the routine..IIRC he also does use a shotglass, TBH, that I can't remember...

It was first printed in Genii with action fotos and IS in his book
*The classical Magic of Larry Jennings*.

The final load is very clever, but some ppl -incl. me - didn't like the lenght of the routine, with the silk, shotglasss, additional props aso...though the silk/large ball load is a clever one..
It is also in Larry Jennings lecture video from Pierre Meyer of France (IIRC)..

Anybody ALSO should study -at least- that routine, because of the clever thinking behind it!!!
PS. Mark Wilson has a book re the basic Chop Cup handling out, ALSO containing Earl Nelsons routineis in there..well worth to own..there are a lot of other books out, amongst them one from Morissey, who also does sell very nice cups!
Ken Brooke has published (and sold the Don Alan Cup)his handling, aslo using a shotglass and a silk..
I DO the chop cup, but don't use any of the published routines as is..so should you.. Smile
And that is not, because none of them is good enough, that is solely because a routine isn't ever to ones own liking -and becomes second nature-unless it is altered to ones own handling and liking of stuff.

In the end the specs have to verify, weather one did a good job or not..
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Larry Jennings' chop cup routine can also be found on page 149 of James Swain's book "21st Century Card Magic". It's the last item in the book and is entitled Larry Jennings' Famous Chop Cup Routine.

I learned this routine about 28 years ago from a magic shop owner named Gil in Witchita, KS. I'll never forget the magic that the shotglass and silk brought to it.
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