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Bill Palmer
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The TT should NEVER come into view. I was taught to use mine by Cal Emmett. I complained because certain customers of mine at the magic shop where I worked would return their TT because it did not match their skin color. This was before plastic ones became the standard. He performed the cigarette in the handkerchief for me and I never saw the TT a single time. When he showed me what he used, then I knew what I was doing wrong. He used one of those little cream bottles that you used to get with your coffee.

So I took all the paint off my TT and worked with it that way.

If the audience gets a glimpse of just the tip of it, you are okay, but never give them a chance to see the side view of your whole thumb. That's a dead giveaway.

DO NOT use the "arthritic claw" display to try to convince people you are not using a TT. That's one of those things that you would do only if you had something on your hand that you wanted to hide. Also, the "crossed thumbs" display that I have seen some magic dealers do makes me want to hurl -- not just my lunch, but to hurl them out the window. Things like that HURT magic.
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The TT should NEVER come into view.


Bill, you are probably one of the few people in here I thought I never would dissagree with...and yet here I go...

I would never say never as a rule in life...and that adage fits to showing the thumbtip as well. I say this because that would mean that at some point you have the dirty hand in an unatural position. I would say however...it is best to minimize the time it would be completely visible. One time I think it is ok to have the tt in th open is when the attention is on the other hand during the magic "moment"...a vanish, appearance, transformation etec...The main attention goes there and only briefly at the open palmed other hand...they see the other hand empty...all the attention goes back to the hand where the magic happened...now your other hand goes back to hiding the thumbtip as naturally as possible...or ditch it.

So I would disagree with never...and if you ever really did use a chrome thumtip, I may not see it, but I bet your hand would not look natural at all either.

I believe the thumbtip has evolved (from metal till todays tips) into a gimmick that if it was briefly seen it would be invisible.

And to answer this post, I only use the soft ones (jap I believe). Because they can stick onto your finger like a suction. So if I have salt, sugar, cream from a creamer, a silk or a extinguised cigarette...I can snap the fingers of that hand and not worry about it flying off. You can do that with the Vernet with practice, but it will never be 100 percent with everything that can fit in it like a soft tip. And if you ever have the fortune to get any of Vanni Bossi's notes (from Italy) what he does with a soft tip is godlike.

Oh Bill...I just read your post again and saw that you mentioned that it was ok that the tip of the tip would be seen briefly...for the record...that would not fall into your NEVER rule Smile
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Even when I only show the tip I get caught.
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Maybe your hand was in the THRILLER position. , o maybe you are too concious about it your eyes follow the tip. I don't know man, I guess I have to see your handling. You should be able to fix that problem with all these great guys contributing here.

Check out Rules of Thumb videos.

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I use vernet standard hard TT for bill switch and handkerchief vanish. vernet king size for lit cigarette vanish.
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On 2004-11-27 15:54, Bill Palmer wrote:
The TT should NEVER come into view. I was taught to use mine by Cal Emmett. I complained because certain customers of mine at the magic shop where I worked would return their TT because it did not match their skin color. This was before plastic ones became the standard. He performed the cigarette in the handkerchief for me and I never saw the TT a single time. When he showed me what he used, then I knew what I was doing wrong. He used one of those little cream bottles that you used to get with your coffee.


- And this doesn't strike you as at all unnatural ? The fact that the performer at no time could really show his hands empty, and had to hide an appendage at all times ?
While you may manage to conceal your thumb for the entire routine, I think some spectators may get more of a sense of being hustled than seeing an act of magic - the whole "the hand is faster than the eye" thing. They may not even consiously realize they never saw your thumb, but down at some level it registers that not everything was in view, or on the up and up, particularly in a longer routine.
I think it'd be a lot more magical if you could slowly show your hands in full view, at least, before the vanish, then have to make sure you never show the thumb, which is going to restrict your movements, no matter what anyone says.
I think it gets to be a bit of a machismo thing at some point, I just don't agree with that principle entirely.
A good thumbtip should never be thought of as a replacement for good technique, of course, but nor should a particularly good one be thought of as a crutch.
After all, no one who works with IT goes, "Ahh, the t****d is invisible enough, just watch your lighting and angles and stop whining about it." They keep striving to I'm prove it, make it thinner, stronger, and more invisible.
Now, the primary danger of a really good thumbtip is that the magician may have a false sense of security and wind up revealing, but I think the notion of creating ever more realistic body parts is forward thinking. Who knows ? After a while, maybe other body parts, more normally out in the open, can be used, and no one would be the wiser.
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On 2004-11-28 03:32, Iceman90 wrote:
Even when I only show the tip I get caught.


There is your problem right there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You are "showing" the tip.

Don't show it. Forget about it.
Forget about the *** tip.
Forget about the whole thing altogether.
Forget you have it on.

If you put a TT on your thumb and walk around for
30 minutes and then go buy a can of soda
and hold the can in your TT hand and walk up to someone
and say.... "does this smell like plastic" as you hold the
can in your hand that also has the TT on.

There is not a person in the world that is going to say...
"Do you mean the can or your plastic thumb?"

....even a magician.

You are too self-conscious about it.
FORGET THAT IT IS ON!!!!

Assignment for tomorrow.... walk around with one on all day long.
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Good advice Frank!

I did this many years ago and .. what the . . it's STILL ON Smile

Seriously, I recommend Pat Pages TT video. He shows some good methods of ditching it etc., which is also part of the art of using it. A great tape.

I keep one in every coat pocket. My number one favourite gaff, usually a Vernet king size.
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On 2004-12-28 06:32, Riley wrote:
Good advice Frank!

I did this many years ago and .. what the . . it's STILL ON Smile



:rotf: Smile Smile

That's the funniest post I've read in a long time.
Thank god I had no coffee in my mouth when I read it.

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Thanks Frank!

Iceman - there's a good selection of different styles of TT here:

http://www.cards4magic.co.uk/acatalog/Thumb_Tips.html

(I'm a bit bemused by the "Stealth Tip"/camouflaged -- I suppose if you're a soldier in the jungle and the enemy is taking his time to arrive at your ambush ...
(In a whisper: "Hey, guys, have you seen this one....")

This site has some nice stuff, worth a browse.

Riley
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Losander, the floating table and bubble illusionist, loves to work with a TT. His mentor ( the name escapes me ) advised him to palm the TT as soon as possible. He does not have an opportunity to flash the TT at any angle, because it is palmed in a lower fist, finger palm. Losander explains and demonstrates this technique in his lectures and DVDs.

This move is not intuitive when you first start to work with the devise, because a logical thought process would dictate that its design and form supposedly avoid detection. This is one of those great paradigms in magic.

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