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aawb122pm Loyal user 211 Posts |
Does the Waters book have much Bizarre material in it ?
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rtgreen Inner circle Portland, Oregon 1322 Posts |
It is mostly mentalism, but there is much that can be easily presented as bizzare.
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Mystery Loyal user 248 Posts |
Many people say that a lot of the effects in it aren't ...practical...
I don't want to judge one of the big names in mentalism. Who am I to do that ? But I can say that the true value of this book lies in the essays, in the way of thinking. Much more than in the effects. In my humble opinion, at least ! Kind regards,
Let your dreams tear apart your life, before your life tears apart your dreams...
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Osiris Special user 610 Posts |
Fact of the matter is, if you have a creative mind and the knack of being a good storyteller, you can transform most any kind of effect into something Bizarre. Granted, you may end up with something akin to "Lizzie's Bunnies" (Gene Poinc) or something even more creepy, such as Rick Maue's version of Ring off Chord in "The Book of Haunted Magick" (I've literally had people wet themselves over this piece alone and beg me to not proceed with the rest of the Seance.)
Terry placed some great stuff in MMM that can be easily adapted to Bizarre work. As Cassidy would put it though, you need to think about plausability along with practicality. Best of luck! |
tuffnavyrn Inner circle San Diego, CA 1238 Posts |
Many things from this book can be adapted for bizarre presentation...just let the imagination churn.
Brian-
"That smart thing that somebody else said". |
Chris Henderson Special user Indiana -- Anyone w/ no life would have 563 Posts |
Quoting the very first chapter of Mind, Myth & Magick:
In the following pages you will find effects and routines for many different kinds of situation, from close-up to platform, from mystical to parapsychological. There is one thing, however, that you will not find; I have carefully avoided giving any more than the most general indications as to presentation. Mr. Waters then goes on to explain why he has done this - so individual performers can adapt their own style to the effects. So if a person wishes to put a bizarre twist or plot to any of the multitude of effects in the book, then they can do so. In my humble opinion, that helps make the book that much better. Because not only does this help leave more room for more effects, but it practically forces your own imagination to come up with a presentation that will fit you instead of a carbon copy of someone else's that can serve only to restrain your own style.
"I would rather have a mind opened by wonder than one closed by belief"
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scolman Elite user Cape Town, South Africa 456 Posts |
I was reluctant to order this (because it wasn't specifically aimed at Bizarre Magick). In fact the thing that eventually pushed me to order it a week ago was my interest in an effect called "the Chest of destiny". I made some enquiries on this forum and discovered that it and many other effects (that could easily be adapted as "bizarre") are explained in the book. I haven't received it yet, but await its arrival with much anticipation!
I think I prefer having my imagination activated than buying into a ready made effect. MMM seems to do this. Simon |
Oddboggle New user 9 Posts |
You can learn to make an easy, affordable "rapping hand." Plus the tarot effects are invaluable (considering how few exist in the world.) Not the easiest stuff to perform, but a great book. A great BIG book.
OddB |
Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
I made a Box Office/Chest of Destiny type of Egyptian effect last night and performed it for a club owner today. He was so impressed that I've got a gig there in a month. That book is worth many times more than the asking price!
THE MAN THE SKEPTICS REFUSE TO TEST FOR ONE MILLION DOLLARS.. The Worlds Foremost Authority on Houdini's Life after Death.....
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
Actually, this book has become a classic of Mentalism and of presentational thinking.
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com |
scolman Elite user Cape Town, South Africa 456 Posts |
My copy just arrived yesterday. My only complaint is that I don't know where to start. This is probably the most comprehensive guide I've ever seen. I know all of this has been said before but if there is anyone out there who doesn't have this yet, do yourself a favour and buy it.
Simon |
brianp New user canada 25 Posts |
There is a pile of material in the book plus some good essays. Some is usable, some I just can't see being particularly exciting, some is lame, but overall its a book I go back to often.
BP |
Lord of Illusion Veteran user Has his enemies stuck on 310 Posts |
Reviewing my copy of MMM has me just wanting to start at Box office (Where did "Chest of Destiny" come from?) and work my way through creating routines and props as I go. This should only take...years...LOL! Perhaps one of my favorite "new" books in my library.
Edward Wolfgang Poe,
The Necromancer of the South |
Greg Arce Inner circle 6732 Posts |
There is one effect in their that is so good and so bizarre that I've always wanted to try an make it up, but never could figure out where and how to use it.
Basically, you tell the story of a very romantic ghost and with the lights out people start feeling cold, wet kisses on parts of their exposed skin. I can imagine this must be shocking in the dark. Greg P.S. by the way, you don't have a hidden accomplice kissing people.. as soon as they feel it they can instantly swing their arms around and no one is there... really.
One of my favorite quotes: "A critic is a legless man who teaches running."
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Lord of Illusion Veteran user Has his enemies stuck on 310 Posts |
The only way that one will work is to have an accomplice and a light trap in the dark room seance. Perhaps if you had a cloth to the floor side table you could hide the thing under that.
Azrael
Edward Wolfgang Poe,
The Necromancer of the South |
Greg Arce Inner circle 6732 Posts |
Azrael, it really requires no assistance, but the room should be dark. Check it out in Mind Myth and Magic to see what you need to make.
Greg
One of my favorite quotes: "A critic is a legless man who teaches running."
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Magickman Elite user St.Petersburg, Fl. 402 Posts |
If bizarre magick is presentation style, why are people always saying "It isn't a bizarre book." Any book on magic can become a bizarre book with your input as a bizarrist. Mentalism is easily transformed.
Magickman
What man knows he calls Science
What he has yet to learn he calls Magick Both are real! _Tony Andruzzi_ |
The Curator V.I.P. Beware Vampire, I have 3908 Posts |
Mind, Myth and Magic is a MUST read.
Like Punx, Shiels, Andruzzi and Borodin, among others. |
Kenn Capman Regular user Southwestern Michigan 196 Posts |
Quote:
On 2005-08-28 15:16, The Curator wrote: MM&M is on my 'annual reading list.' I pick up several new things every time I read it. Classic material.
"The thermometer of success is merely the jealousy of the malcontents."
- Salvador Dali - |
Leland Stone Inner circle 1204 Posts |
I'm intrigued by the Kisses effect, too, but have never come close to trying it. Someday, perhaps.
Box Office is a killer for lay audiences, but do be careful if performing it for a room full of engineers and other analytical types. It can be reverse-engineered. My tweak on Waters' prop: Arrange the talismans in a circular or triangular formation, to make the prediction paper's position seem more haphazard. The rank & file system recommended by Waters results in a clue that suggests methodology to the careful observer. MMM represents a wealth of information and inspiration and as such deserves its place in my library. Just, please, don't get me started on the monkey. Leland |
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