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trainspotter New user 63 Posts |
Hello everybody,
I was wondering about the use of NLP in mentalism. When I first learned about NLP, I saw nothing innovative. All the "working" principles were taken from good old classical psychology, and for all the "non-working" principals, no scientific evidence was shown to support the theory. I wanted to hear your ideas on implementing the principles of NLP to mentalism. Are you using it to gain rapport? to influence? Or to force a choice? Any thoughts on the subject are appreciated. Sorry for my English. And thanks for sharing your ideas. Danny. |
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123majik123 Regular user nowhere 180 Posts |
NLP is usually used to enhance magical presentations. But then not just NLP techniques are used. Kenton Knepper's Wonder Words says a lot about this drawing from all areas of linguistic physiology. (There are a few NLP style effects in print which make use of eye access cues).
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trainspotter New user 63 Posts |
123majik123, can you please refer me to specific effect using the eye access cues, and their authors?
Thanks! |
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Hypnotic Winter Special user Ireland 720 Posts |
Trainspotter, try running a search if you haven't already.
I've already spoken on this on other threads. H.W
When your only reality is an illusion, then illusion is reality.
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xersekis Special user 591 Posts |
Well not quite, trainspotter.
Much of NLP does come from other very valuable fields and endeavors - synthesized tried and true approaches. However, NLP has innovated much that has been synthesized back into these tried and true fields and in other areas. NLP represents a working blend of some of the finest behavioral and cognitive approaches and has contributed back greatly to the field of psychology, psychiatry, medicine, education, sports, marketing, sales and advertising, social programs, the military, law enforcement and much more. I personally have trained people from all around the world, top CEO's neuro-psychiatrists, hostage negotiators, trial attorneys, politicians, parents, educators, police etc. all of which utilize NLP in their daily or professional life and who do find it incredibly valuable. NLP is like a library where all the good books are so you don't have to search very far to find stuff that works and works well. BUT it has suffered at the hands of those who borrow from it without credit. True NLP has done some of that too but from early days on much was done to track what and where the "Roots of NLP" came from. Enjoy! Rex http://www.idea-seminars.com Master Trainer of NLP |
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Ken Dyne Inner circle UK 2268 Posts |
I use NLP as a format for life as well as a backup for my work. I consider it one of the many layers which make up both me and my acts, whether it be on stage or close up.
Kind thoughts, Kennedy
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lawrencetreagus New user 61 Posts |
There is a post on eye accessing clues discussing the effectivenes of this part of NLP.
It's in "NLP books and ANCHORING". the link makes interesting reading. regards |
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trainspotter New user 63 Posts |
Rex, thank you for your answer.
I'm interested in how exacly NLP contributed greatly to the field of psychology, psychiatry, medicine Back to the original question, How exacly you apply NLP principles in mentalism. Thanks again Lawrencetreagus, I've posted the link |
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Marco S. Inner circle 1017 Posts |
I heard Derren Brown uses NLP knowledge that he has quite often. So there you have it.
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lawrencetreagus New user 61 Posts |
Sorry just realised it was you (trainspotter)who posted EAC link.
Since your asking for info on EAC how effective do you find it? "how exactly do you apply NLP in mentalism" Luke Jermay is probably the best exapmle of NLP in mentalism allthough KK has a lot as well. regards |
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trainspotter New user 63 Posts |
Personaly I failed to find any kind of connection between the moves of the eyes and the representation in mind. The article strengthened that belief(http://www.kevinhogan.com/NLPeyeaccess.htm).
I heard that there are some effects that use the EAC principle. I'll appreciate if anyone can refer me to specific effect and it's author. |
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Karswell Regular user 156 Posts |
There's one in Deadly Mentalism by Ben Rayot: 'Eye Can See What You Are Thinking'. He does mention calibrating to the individual, if memory serves. Mr Brown also goes through EAC - there are others too.
Even Bandler has long since distanced himself from EAC emphasising these are modelling projects not science principles. The problem is compounded by having the vast majority of NLP presentations and publications just regurgitating and repeating information like extended chinese whispers. The real innovators and investigators from the field are few and far between - Mr Sikes is one. Nick. |
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trainspotter New user 63 Posts |
Nick, thank you for your reply.
I'll check those out. |
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JoaoPedro Regular user Lisbon - Portugal 179 Posts |
What an interesting post! Since I discovered NLP and its applications to mentalism, I've been using it every day I perform.
Luke Jermay and Kenton Knepper are the main sources for my work. However, I must say I first became interested after seeing Derren Brown doing a mental force to the 3 diamonds (in his website). Amazing! I just couldn't believe it! Now I use my NLP skills (still poor but getting better each day) mainly to force a thought! And man it really works! You just have to say the right words using the right body language. You must appear pretty confident and really believe in what you're doing!It is really amazing to see how people get influenced and think of the card YOU WANT! But I'm not an expert on the subject... I'd like to hear some more voices... BTW, it's really pleasant to have the presence of such a reference in NLP - Rex Steven Sikes! For me, it all started with your book "Ultimate Home Study Course on NLP". Thanks a lot!
João Pedro
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xersekis Special user 591 Posts |
Kenton and Luke utilize some NLP, as does Derren. There is so much more out there to be learned, used and demonstrated. Just the tip of the iceberg has been noticed by these fine gentleman, so if you are interested I suggest you look into it.
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CarlD Regular user 111 Posts |
"Talking about NLP, I just got a pre-release version of a new book called 'Sleight of Mind'. I haven't heard of the authors, but I wish I'd been able to lay my hands on it for info on NLP years ago. I could have saved myself a small fortune. I'm only about halfway through it, but so far it's excellent. I suppose if there's any kind of continuing theme it's suggestion and how to use it, from the viewpoints of both NLP and hypnosis. Quite a few nice routines thrown in there too.
I'm not one for recommending books, as a lot of them tend to be over-priced and lacking in decent content, but I'm really enjoying reading this one. Well worth a look when it comes out. Is anyone else here a journalist and has a copy they've had a chance to read? I'd be interested to hear other comments on it. I'll get back to you once I've finished it, with criticisms and a proper overview. Take a look at http://www.sleightofmind.info in the meantime. CarlD |
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bobser Inner circle 4178 Posts |
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On 2004-11-09 06:58, Marco S. wrote: I heard Derren Brown 'doesn't' use NLP knowledge, so there you have it. The point I am making is that Derren is a magician/mentalist, and EVERYTHING he uses is done through magic/mentalist form.
Bob Burns is the creator of The Swan.
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Ominous New user 12 Posts |
Bobser, I am unsure of your point! That DB uses both NLP and just about anything else in the book (any) to get the message across? If so I agree!
CarlD, Thanks for the heads up. That book looks rather interesting! |
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xersekis Special user 591 Posts |
Bobser, you believe everything you hear?
Derren has utilized NLP in performance and in patter - having taught it for 25 years I recognize verbatim the patter for hypnotic transcripts we taught. Also he did attend programs. The degree to which he uses what in his performances and his methods is another matter - but he does very much utilize aspects of NLP. Some of it - verbatim from what is in books, on tapes and taught in seminars. |
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johne Special user 960 Posts |
Isn't it true though, that people unknowingly use NLP in their daily lives, and they just don't recognize them?
J |
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