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Bill Wells
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I have many sets of cups in various materials, but I also go back to the copper ones insofar as material is concerned.

My original Danny Dew made Paul Fox cups are my favorite style and I never polish them. I like the natural patina. I don't feel the cups should overpower the balls as they are the objects which undergo the magic.
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I like stainless steel or chrome finish best.

But when it comes down to the real power of the effect, it matters not a jot. An artist can create true magic with paper drinking cups and some scrunched up paper balls.
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I like slightly tarnished copper. I am going to try the wax idea. Thanks Bill,

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I like my indian stainless steel cups that we had in our kitchen until 3 weeks ago. Now they are in my workshop.
Once I can afford the professional cups I will certainly be reading over these posts again to try to decide what to get.

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Good luck finding a set of these. They are very difficult to get. The fellow who makes them is erratic in supplying them. I got an earful about him from a dealer who shall remain nameless. Basically, he didn't want to discount the cups to dealers, but he expected the dealers to be thrilled that he would allow them to display them in their shops. Dream on!
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I heard the same story!

I prefer stainless steel, except when I would outside. Then it's copper all the way!
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I've only worked with aluminum and copper. My son has an inexpensive brass set, but my copper cups have a weight and balance that I love. They also look great, now that they've aged nicely.
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Silver has a particular feel to it that is hard to describe. I know why the professor liked it.
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If you can't afford the Silver Sherwood set, copper is the way to go. I prefer mine tarnished. I agree the focus should be on the balls, not the cups. Kirk G
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I disagree. The focus should be on the presentation.
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Though I don't own a set, I too really like a nice heavy copper set of cups. They look older, and classy. Gold is a little flashy, and at times, somewhat tacky. Silver is nice, but not like a copper set.

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I "worked" with a set of copper cups from Seidl, Vienna, for almost 10 years. They came with a very nice artificial patina (I think there is a picture of the jumbo version on Mr. Palmer's website). I like the look of tarnished copper a lot (and can wholeheartedly recommend any cups from Seidl - Alexander DeCova once showed me a number of very beautiful sets in different seizes).
Recently, I bought a set of Brett Sherwood's smooth all silver cups and am very (!) satisfied with them. Talking to other magicians I got the impression that when they consider purchasing a silver set at all, they want to go for the engraved ones. This may be due to Dai Vernon having used such cups or simply to the fact that they are at the top of the price range, highly collectible, etc. What made me go for the smooth ones was that I do not, in my present presentation, refer to the age and history of the trick. The sober look of the smooth cups is somewhat more modern (after all, the twentieth century brought the death of ornament in western art...), while the material adds a lot of class to the trick. Somehow, the look of polished silver appeals much more to me than the look of stainless steel. For many reasons apart from material (I am digressing), I can recommend the Sherwood cups wholeheartedly, and if you consider purchasing a set, don't neglect the smooth range.
All that being said and purchased, I continue being jealous of anyone able to mystify audiences with a pair of CARDBOARD icecream cups. I am likewise jealous of anyone who owns a pair of these excellent engraved Sherwood cups (I should start saving and purchase a set). Somehow, I do not seem to be easily satisfied...
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Copper for me.
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I have to say that I like all of Brett's cups. The nice thing is that they are very consistent, all through the range. He really has revolutionized the design of the cups.
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"I have to say that I like all of Brett's cups."
This, Bill, is actually what I meant to say in a roundabout way.
Even though I had to make a choice out of the different styles of Sherwood cups and finally reasoned my way towards one, the choice was difficult and I still hope to purchase a set of his engraved cups at some future point.
The cups I received are superb, but I trust all the cups offered by Brett Sherwood are (and they are there for all to see, in all their beauty, on your and Mr. Sherwood's website). I would regret if I was understood as recommending the smooth cups as generally being a better choice than the engraved ones or as disrespecting the reasons others might have for preferring the engraved ones to the smooth ones. I was just relating the personal reasoning that led to my first purchase of a set of Sherwood cups, and - as an aside and against the background of the discussions I have had - wanted to remind readers of the fact that the smooth cups Sherwood produces are by no means less beautiful than his engraved ones.
Anyone who owns a set of Sherwood cups of whatever style should count him(her)self lucky - they surely are the most beautiful and functional cups I have seen so far. Besides, Mr. Sherwood's service is excellent.
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I think that Bill Palmer is right when he said above "I disagree. The focus should be on the presentation."

Only magicians care about the props they use. The audience doesn't care as long as it is entertaining... Flower pots or plastic cups. It doesn't matter. I had my close up case ripped off once and had a show.

I went out and got three large plastic cups. Pom pom's for the balls and three balls for loads and did the show and the audience liked it as much as the Stainless steel rings and things cups I had that were ripped off...

I feel it is not the props it is the routine the presentation and the entertainment that comes from the routine and presentation...

And the magic that comes from the magician!!!
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For decades, all I had was a cheap set of aluminum cups. It was all I could afford. About six months ago I bought (my wife let me buy) the Johnson cups which are (for me at least) not cheap at all. they were about $200. These are brass, and heavy. After having the aluminum cups all those years and to jump to these heavy cups it's like a whole new trick for me. I'm able to handle them and all the standard moves with more precision than I ever did with the lightweight aluminum cups. I agree that the lay audience won't care if I have stainless steel, or plastic if I do a good performance. These brass cups give me a new level of confidence and I'm looking forward to performing this for someone other than my mirror.
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Tilman -- I was reasonably sure you felt that way. You actually made an excellent choice for more than one reason. The smooth silver cups are by far the rarest of the cups he has made. There are only ten sets of them. Right after I got the engraved silver ones, I decided to purchase the copper ones for practice and normal performance. I was delighted to find out how consistent the cups were at that point. I got the smooth silver ones, because I knew they would be an instant collectible!
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When I was a kid I had a set of Adams cups. This was around 1953. They were yellow plastic and came with three balls in a nice cardboard box. Cost - $1.00 at Garrisons Fun Shop in Washington, DC. I had a lot of fun with them.

I'm wondering if anyone ever made a set of cups in bakelite??? It's that brown plastic stuff they used to make radio cases out of in the mid 20th century???

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